Is it normal to think no major problem in this world can be fixed?

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I think that every problem our world has, we have for a reason that we can't do much to fix. It bugs me when people act like they have some easy solution and shit like that for a big problem. I think that all the biggest problems in our world today, will always be problems. If we could have feasibly fixed them, we would have by now.

Some examples are :

-religious hate/judgment
-Climate change
-political conflict and division
-sexual abuse, assault and rape
-sexism, homophobia and racism
-homicide, suicide and terrorism
-depression and anxiety disorders

Please note that I am NOT saying these things are not problems, I am just saying that I don't think they will ever stop being a big issue. And before you get pissed, remember that this is all in my opinion of course! If anyone wants clarification or has an opinion, PLEASE COMMENT!

I mostly or completely agree with this theory 17
Your onto something but the theory is incomplete or to general 14
There is nothing to the theory 7
It is the opposite and most things can be easily fixed 2
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  • palehorse
    4 years ago | pl

    I don't think these problems will be completely eradicated in the near future, but historical trends suggest tremendous improvements can and do occur. You're overly pessimistic.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      I don't quite agree with what you are implying. Historic trends show tremendous improvements? I disagree. Some problems have gotten worse and some have gotten a little better, but I think the overarching trend, which is the subject of the post, is that the same problems will keep being problems. I hate to say this, but you outlood sounds too positive. In my opinion of course!

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      • Silver_Discrete
        4 years ago

        read. Please.

        your small issue is that u are not open minded. This is how people fail, in literally everything.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          Care to elaborate? Please make a more specicific critique at least!

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      • palehorse
        4 years ago

        I don't feel like spending a large amount of time writing a full rebuttal, but just some examples of improvements across history include greater social equality (i.e. end of slavery, concept of human rights - which is fairly new and a rising trend across history!, major decrease in racism / sexism / etc. as much as we should be doing more against poverty, the very idea of poor people deserving fulfilling lives as human beings is quite new and undoubtedly an improvement), improved medical care from better technology (including better regulations on various companies), decreasing rates of violence (yes, it really has gone down, also there hasn't been a major war in decades).

        You cite religious discrimination as a problem, and it certainly is, but the promotion of religious / cultural tolerance and acceptance is a (relatively) recent and growing trend. Travel back a few centuries and find me a person that'll say it's wrong to persecute someone solely based on their religion. Or sexism - almost exactly 100 years ago, women in the US had just recently gained the right to vote. Look further back and it'll be difficult to find any major state, religion, or philosophy that in practice grant women anywhere near the same status as men. But today almost all people in 1st world countries believe in gender equality, and it's quite plausible that the US will elect a female president in the 2020 election. Given this, it's a little hard to defend the idea that problems such as sexism are unfix-able.

        Same goes for a lot of the other points you brought up. Not all - climate change, of course, is a fairly new phenomenon and our fault, but even that is showing certain improvements. For example, here in the US 69% of voters consider climate change a significant issue today (google for poll, I remember this stat from an article), much higher than before. And a bunch of news articles [citation needed] say that climate change is going to be very important to the US's 2020 elections. Anxiety disorders and depression is, some argue, a rising trend - but unlike even just a few decades ago, mental illness is treated as a real illness and not a cause to throw someone into an insane asylum. Treatment is based on actual science, real research, and demonstrably beneficial methods. Can you deny that that's huge improvement?

        Do we still have problems? Undoubtedly. But is it fair to say they've hardly changed, that they can't be fixed (or significantly improved)? No.

        Sorry this isn't better researched, but I didn't feel like dedicating too much time to a random internet forum.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          No research needed! You are totally right with your specific instances of improvement. But hear me out. A lot of problems have improved in some ways but not others. And some problems have improved and others have gotten worse. It is hard to explain, but basically I think that us as a society will never be void of racism, sexism, homophobia, sexual abuse ect. No matter what we do. They have been improved in the past, but we are kind of at a plateau of sorts. It is my opinion that all these problems, at least the moral ones(which most are), can only be improved so much because there is some natural human instict that sees black people or homosexuals as different, or sees rape as worth it, or suicide, you get the idea. There are human nature characteristics that contribute to most of these problems, and as a result they will never go away. I am basically saying this is about as far as we will ever get because human nature will not change. But you are absolutly right that we have come a long way in the past. But we have drawn close to the point where no major improvement can be made. In my opinion of course!

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          • palehorse
            4 years ago

            "We have drawn close to the point where no major improvement can be made." What leads you to believe this? Why now specifically, and not 30 years ago, or 30 years in the future, are we hitting this so-called plateau? What's so special about the current state of the world that suggests in any way that we're at "the point where no major improvement can be made"? In order to even begin to defend such a radical idea, you have to first explain what's so special about the status quo. Why is *this* "about as far as we will get", and not the world of 1679, or 1943, or 2310?

            "A lot of problems have improved in some ways but not others. And some problems have improved and others have gotten worse." Can you give at least one specific example to back up one of these claims? And not including new problems, like climate change, which only popped up relatively recently and can't be cited as a historical trend.

            "There are human nature characteristics that contribute to most of these problems, and as a result they will never go away." Of course there are. But radical ideas, like democracy or racial / gender equality, that seem to go against the then understanding of human nature, have become commonly accepted before. Whether or not human nature is at play is somewhat irrelevant because human nature can and does change. Human evolution is as memetic (cultural) as it is biological, maybe more. The way we construct and interact with society influences our psychology and perception of others, and vice versa. Things aren't as simple as, "Well, it's human nature, so nothing can change." The very concept of human nature is defined by our cultural values, and certainly subject to change, for better or worse.

            No offense intended, but it really seems like your opinion doesn't have much backing it besides your instinct.

            Also, I'm personally in favor of suicide - at least, insofar that people ultimately have the right to choose whether they want to live or not. But that's another debate.

            Edit: Just like to add that defending "we'll never be *completely void* of something" is very different from defending "we'll never make a significant improvement to something", although it appears that you're arguing the latter.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              4 years ago

              I expected this! I have an opinion with no evidence, and people don't believe it. That is 100% fine! I have about ZERO evidence for this, and if I did, I would have shown it. It is my opinion that this plateau comes now just based on where we are at with these problems and becoming proficient in our understanding of why humans do things. It is completely speculation, and honesltly, It would be better if I was wrong. I am not offended by you saying I have no evidence, because I don't!

              Alsp regarding the human nature, some things do change. No doubt about it! But this desire we all have to be better or prove were better than others will never go away. It takes dufferent forms based on the age and culture we are in, but humans still want to prove their superior to others. Other things like theft comes from a feeling of jealousy, again, something that I don't think will go away. Or rape, men's high sex drive isn't going anywhere, and there will always be a few people doing it. Remember, I have no evidence, and this is all in my opinion of course!

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          • Silver_Discrete
            4 years ago

            This goes back to the idea where we are not free.
            Some examples: we can rewire our brain, and we are given the right to be creative, hence changing society from slavery.

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      • NoLifer
        4 years ago

        They can be fixed but the question is by what means is it acceptable. People also would be less plagued with anxiety and depression if certien conditions where fixed. Such as abuse, rough childhood, stuck in minumum wage job could all affect your happiness. Serial Homicide as well can be mitigated if we have early prevention. Also we might be better off if we gave kids more freedom to be human. Rather than placing them in a box of "must act dumb or we will give you meds for being smart".

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          So basically your thinking in a loop. XYZ problems could be solved if only ZYX problems were solved that cause them. That kind of just proves my point, unless I am misunderstanding you.

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          • [Old Memory]
            4 years ago

            Rather than call it thinking in a loop, I'd call it, addressing from the root.

            While the "ZYX" approach is just as, or more challenging than the typical one, I think it could be more powerful.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              4 years ago

              Well that is a fair point, but to me all problems are interchanging. Every problem has other ones it causes, and every problem is caused by other ones. And none of the main ones can every be totally fixed. In my opinion of course!

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        • palehorse
          4 years ago

          Must act dumb or we will give you meds for being smart? What are you talking about and where do you live?

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    • Ins1dit0rius
      4 years ago

      No, we'll be figurines on a chess board for the fun of some smoothies.

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  • Jattai
    4 years ago

    Nothing in this world is objective. Things are only a problem because people think they are. The way we view things changes also.

    If you look at the ancient Greeks for example, they accepted romantic or sexual relationships between males as a balanced sex life (having males and females as lovers), and they considered this "normal (as long as one partner was an adult and the other was aged between twelve and fifteen)"
    Today this is called paedophilia.

    Only +50 years ago mixed racial marriage was shunned as was single parenting. Today it's not a problem in western cultures.

    I think bananas are yum but you think they are yuck. Is the banana either? No it just is.

    Is climate change really a problem? We can't be 100% sure and we can't be sure that we can fix it but because there is the possibility of mass destruction for future generations we must try to do something anyway.

    To sit around and do nothing because you think it won't make a difference is to do so at your own peril. If humans did this we wouldn't still be here. Humans have survived because we have an amazing ability to adapt and solve problems.

    Life is just one problem or one obstacle after another. When we give up trying to overcome them we call that growing old and dying.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      1. I am not saying we should not try to do anything because of this reality. I am saying that more people need to accept it.

      2. None of our problems are ever perfectly objective, However, many can be measured is some capacity. For example, we keep track of suicide and homicide rates, rape and sexual abuse cases and also depression and anxiety dissorder diagnoses. Lots of these things give us an estimate of the extent of these problems. Is it exact or absolute? No, but for many of these problems there are numbers. And for others like political conflict, a problem is quite evident and almost everyone would agree, even though it really can't be quantified.

      3. When you say things are only a problem if we think they are, I about lost my marbles. Are you serious? I don't think people getting raped or murdered is a problem, does that make them not problems? Try making that case in court! Yes, our perception plays a role, but you have taken it way, way too far. In my opinion of course!

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      • Jattai
        4 years ago

        I'm not talking about "in court" I'm talking about absolute reality. A banana is not yum or yuck, it just is. Yum or yuck is in your mind. However, as I said already this not a reason to do nothing. We still take action.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          Taste of something is an opinion. The morality of rape is not. If you think rape is not immoral, you need to get some help! Rape happens at the expense of another person, so does many other problems I listed. Whether or not I ebjoy eating bananas, does not effect anyone else. But the problems I listed mostly come at the expense of someone else, usually without their consnet. Can we please stop comparing bananas to rape and homicide now???

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          • Boogienights
            4 years ago

            Gee it must be uncomfortable taking life so seriously. I agree with jatai, good and bad are just concepts. Ideas overlaid onto things including rape and homicide. Of course these things are harmful and we need take measures to protect people and prevent further harm. I don't believe Jatai was disputing that. You seem to have missed the point and overlaid your own idea onto what jatai said.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              4 years ago

              He said this in his original comment :

              "Things are only a problem because we think they are..."

              And I think this statement is horse shit. I don't think that is what he meant tho. SOME problems are only problems if we think they are, and with every problem, the EXTENT of a problem it is, is subjective. But if I say a certain amount of sexual abuse cases occurred in a certain area over a period of time, that is a problem, unless you don't think sexual abuse as a single event, is a problem. If a single instance of sexual abuse is a problem, then it is also a problem that sexual abuse keeps occouring. You may think the actual amount of cases is low enough compared to the population that it is not a BIG problem, but it is still a problem. Some things are subjective between good and bad, and some are not.

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  • RoseIsabella
    4 years ago

    I don't disagree with you on these problems, and the nature of such problems is always about human frailty. People are all flawed, myself included of course, and so as long as humans exist I think the problems you have listed will persist.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      Well great! RoseIsablla agrees with my post! First off I would like to thank my family for the emotional support...

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  • mia500
    4 years ago

    You shouldn't not talk about things just because you think there's no easy solution. If there was an easy solution then it wouldn't be a big issue! There's nothing wrong with people trying to resolve the issue, if no one did that then we would have plenty more things to worry about.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      I see your point. But I just feel that a lot of poeple behave in a way that suggests they think it is possible to solve these issues. People don't like to awknowledge the reality that these problems are not going anywhere. They like to belittle them and make them seem like easy fixes, because that is what people want to hear. In my opinion of course!

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  • Tealights
    4 years ago

    Weird opinion incoming: I think the core problem is mass ignorance to what we really are.

    Humans are animals. We fight. We mate. We eat. We hunt. We're not acknowledging our basic instincts and urges, and so absorbed in humanity's collective hubris due to the inventions over the centuries. We feel we're above nature, I've even witnessed some say that, "We're not animals, we're human." Like, what the fuck does that even mean?

    There is no easy fix to this. Apart of me believes that we should reform our education system and incorporate psychology, sociology, and basic anatomy of the entire body (genitals included; sad that I even have to clarify that) so new generations understand why, what, and how of their body and mind works, plus the basic understanding of the behaviors of those around them before they reach the age of 18. This knowledge might naturally reduce unnecessary births, violence, and mental illnesses that develop from psychological trauma.

    Yet, I know I'm not the only one who thought of this, but why hasn't it happened. I believe corporations wouldn't want the populous to get smarter and more aware, because it will unravel everything. Another issue is, parents. Our education starts and continues at home until we're grown, if the parents are idiots, abusers, rapist, domineering/etc, their children will have less of a chance to succeed. Even if this were to work, it'll take several generations for this new system to see real results, especially once the older generations finally dies.

    Basically, I agree with you. There are no easy solutions to these problems, and they will always persist until our extinction or we finally fix our shit whenever that happens.

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    • [Old Memory]
      4 years ago

      That's interesting. I like that idea.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      Great reply! You have a little more extreme of an outlook than I do, and I do not agree that humans are on the same level as animals. But I agree with how it could have THEORETICALLY been prevented. But now that we are where we are, I don't think much can be imoroved, hence the post.

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      • Tealights
        4 years ago

        Thanks!

        I knew my opinion about humans are animals would be strange due to religion, or simply not wanting to associate ourselves with primates or other creatures that seem dirty and uneducated compared to us.

        Oddly enough, I never once thought as humans as something better or different; animals and humans are the same on a fundamental level with a difference of instinct and intuition. Wild animals are instinctual, hardwired to do what they need to do to continue their species and survive. Humans are both instinctual and full of intuition; we can think outside the box. The issue I see is that, we don't take time to understand our natural instincts, our base programming, while on the other hand wild animals have a full grasp on. We go through that aspect of life blind and lost, suppressing our urges for religion and family, all the while never taking the time to actually learn about it. We know we need to go to school and become a member of society, but we don't know how to deal with our instincts to mate and have children. Companies capitalize off this, and you see it everywhere in advertisements, television shows, movies, etc. It's no coincidence that most award winning movies are ones with some form of sex within it, because it speaks to both our intuition and instincts.

        Basically, I think we need to turn back and look at the basics of who and what we are, and build a solid foundation within ourselves before reaching adulthood.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          That is a really interesting theory. I do thing humans are above animals still, but we do shun our natural instincts to a problematic degree. Especially when it comes to sex. And the modernization and formalization of humans relative to other species has its downfalls, no doubt.

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  • [Old Memory]
    4 years ago

    I think that problems to do with our nature, like our tendency to discriminate, can't be completely fixed. However, as we've seen, we can apply laws and introspect to curb and suppress our destructive natural urges.

    Climate change, at least the change caused by humans, can be fixed imo. The answer to most environmental problems, overburdened welfare systems, and dwindling resources is this imo: downsize the human population via birth control and abstinence.

    That's even more important at the moment than seeking new technology to find more sustainable and clean ways of living. Don't get me wrong though, environmental efforts like that and recycling are still extremely important.

    Downsizing = simplifying. And you simplify to solve problems.

    We've not really tried to do that, hell, we don't even want to talk about overpopulation because of the controversy surrounding it.

    I'm absolutely not saying that people alive now should be murdered. I am saying that we should prioritize quality of life over quantity of life.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      Good reply! I agree that it has to do with human nature 100 percent. But climate change casued by humans is unrealsitic to fix. In my opinion of course! Lowering the population would work in theory, but again it is bot realistic in my opinion.

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      • [Old Memory]
        4 years ago

        Lowering the population seems reasonable enough, imo. It wouldn't be the hardest thing humanity has done.

        1. Educate women and poor people, and they'll have children later.

        2. Ever notice how the most wretched, poverty stricken people gravitate towards having more children, and earlier? I think this is a combination of dopamine seeking behavior (substance abuse and sex) and lack of education.

        Making distractions like porn, video games, sex robots, TV, and other fun activities more readily available to the poor might help tame this issue.

        3. However, so long as poverty exists, women will be selling their bodies, legal or not. There should be trucks and planes loaded with birth control and contraceptives sent to our ghettos, and slums in poor countries regularly. Make it so available that they might as well pop a few.

        I wouldn't mind moderate tax mark up if that's where the money was going.

        4. Last resort, but perhaps a one or two child policy should be implemented in as many countries as possible, starting from the bottom up. It would involve first world imperialism, but we have the muscle to enforce it.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          Man, I can tell you have thought this through! I absolutly agree that birth control needs to be more avalible and also porn to more poverished areas. I kind of think we are already headed in the direction of population growth decline though. More opportunities are avalible for people now and less people hava a life goal of a family and kids. But with the population we have already, we have more than enough to cause problems. Also I think a ban on a certain amount of children is unfair to those who want more. That is a righy that should never be taken away. In my opinion of course!

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          • [Old Memory]
            4 years ago

            The last two sentences are where we absolutely differ. I don't think it's unfair to ban people from pumping out all the children that they want, because people doing that can have negative effects on the rest of the human population, the environment, and the other species we share the planet with.

            Both parties can't win. Either the freedom of baby boomers has to be restricted, or the larger picture has to suffer the impact of their desires. My opinion here is controversial, but I think having too many children is in the same vein as littering.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              4 years ago

              Well we have our differing opinions then. I don't agree, but I see your point still and don't think any less of you for it. I am now curious what possible bias you have on this matter. So my questions are :

              How densly populated is the area you live in?

              Are you married or do you have kids?

              I have 3 boys and live in a less densly populated area, so it stands to reason that I would be more likely to beleive in people's right to have more kids.

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  • Indigo1
    4 years ago

    I think your poll lacks some options.

    "It is the opposite and most things can be easily fixed"

    extra emphasis on "easily"

    What about the belief that some or all of these issues can be fixed but it will be hard or take lots of time.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      That would be the "nothing to the theory" option.

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      • Indigo1
        4 years ago

        also you can include both but the fact that you chose to include "easy to fix" over a "hard to fix but possible" option gives me a laugh to be honest. I don't think there are many souls who would say these problems are easy to fix lmao. perhaps some who would say easy to improve.
        The extremes of your options are silly imo..

        Either you get to vote that your theory is correct/partly correct, total bs , or the worlds problems are easy to fix.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          I see your point about the extremes, but your still misunderstanding me. So how about I rephrase things for ya?

          My theory is that most of the worlds bigger problems will never stop being problems. Some examples are given, but that is not everthing.

          Option 1 - you agree completely and think that no significant improvemnt will take place in the overall impact of these few serious issues.

          Option 2 - I am onto something but the theory is incomplete or too generalized. So maybe you think that some huge problems now can be fixed, but I am right about others. Or you think the theory itself is flawed because all these problems can feasibly be fixed.

          Option 3 - nothing to the theory. The problems we have just happen to be there and have randomly varying causes and probabilities for improvemnet of the situation. In other words, you think problems come and go overall throughout the coure of time. And the problems can be fixed but it is not easy.

          Option 4 - most or all problems are easily fixable and basically you think the opposite of my theory.

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          • Indigo1
            4 years ago

            I'd say your option " I am onto something but the theory is incomplete or too generalized" does not imply what you say in your above comment when you say " you think the theory itself is flawed because all these problems can feasibly be fixed." because after all you did say in your original option "I am onto something"

            I get your drift but i still think it's a flimsy way to phrase these options Imo, your second option still implies mostly agreement with you, and even if you want to add in all these extra things, it then becomes unclear how each person who voted that option feels.

            One could feel that your opinion in mostly correct, only a little correct ...ect or a the whole variety of things as you listed in your above comment and still vote that option, so there for it is flawed because it catches too many categories of opinion.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              4 years ago

              Your probably right. It is really tuff to make good poll options for a complex topic such as this. I already have enough data to get a general idea, and you are thinking nore critically than others, which I do appreciate. Now how about you forget the poll, I know it is not great, and just give me your conscise thoughts on my theory?

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      • Indigo1
        4 years ago

        no, Because you can think there in something to this theory but is too absolutist/ is missing things but still feel that the worlds problems can be solved only they will be hard.
        and no voting for " you have a point or its partially correct" does not imply that one believes the worlds problems can be fixed.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          Then it would be the second option of the theory being incomplete. I do appoligize for the wording, I do see how you could be confused.

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          • Indigo1
            4 years ago

            I'd say your second option "Your onto something but the theory is incomplete or to general" does not imply a clear belief/answer to your original post question. it sides more with I believe somewhat that the problems of the world cannot be fixed but your theory on why or just some part of it is too incomplete. it does not imply a belief that the worlds problems are solvable but hard to fix, there is no clear option for that obviously popular view.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              4 years ago

              I could have been more clear with a topic this broad. I assumed people with your point of view would chose the nothing to the theory one, but I could have added another option between that and the I'm onto something one. And I'm onto something, could mean a lot of things based upon the interpretation of the voter.

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  • AMERICANsavage
    4 years ago

    I agree with you completely. It seems like the easy solutions they bring up usually have negative consequences that they did not think through.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      Well that is wonderful! I bet a lot of people are wary to admit to agreeing with me because it is kind of a tough pill to swallow. Do you agree with that sentiment?

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      • AMERICANsavage
        4 years ago

        Absolutely

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          Wonderful!

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  • Doesnormalmatter
    4 years ago

    Wow mate! This post is as interesting as it is discouraging. It is true that many problems have stood the test of time, however, I'm not so sure this applies to every problem. Some problems have been fixed almost entirly with technology, like certain diseases for example. But did you mean to include material based problems in your post, or only moral deliemas? With moral ones I think you have a case, but I don't think so for more physical type issues. Quite some food for thought either way!

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      4 years ago

      Read my post, up on the top, if you haven't already (and my reply to OP's reply under it). I do think these problems have shown significant improvements and are fixable.

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        4 years ago

        Sorry, I don't agree. Climate change is actually quite overblown in my opinion anyway. But the other problems OP listed in the post are not going anywhere. They are mostly all caused by humans innate desire to be better than or take advantave of another. Its our selfish nature that will keep these moral deliemas around.

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          You mean "dilemmas", right? And read the other reply I left.

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            4 years ago

            Sure we can use the word deliemas, sounds less morbid a least. So you original reply I do somewhat agree to this upward trend. However, In one of OP's responses to you he explained how he thinks we are at a plateu of sorts. That kind of makes sense to me, and I do think that although progress has been made, not much more can be made on most of these issues. The thing is, if I am understanding the post correctly, it never implies that we have not improved im the past, more so that we wom't do much in the future becaude there are things in the human nature that will always give people the desire to do such things.

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              4 years ago

              I'll just copy-and-paste my response to OP explaining the idea of the "plateau" to avoid further confusion. TLDR is that there's really no evidence to suggest that we're at the point of "no more improvements can be made", although everyone is entitled to their own opinion:

              "We have drawn close to the point where no major improvement can be made." What leads you to believe this? Why now specifically, and not 30 years ago, or 30 years in the future, are we hitting this so-called plateau? What's so special about the current state of the world that suggests in any way that we're at "the point where no major improvement can be made"? In order to even begin to defend such a radical idea, you have to first explain what's so special about the status quo. Why is *this* "about as far as we will get", and not the world of 1679, or 1943, or 2310?

              "A lot of problems have improved in some ways but not others. And some problems have improved and others have gotten worse." Can you give at least one specific example to back up one of these claims? And not including new problems, like climate change, which only popped up relatively recently and can't be cited as a historical trend.

              "There are human nature characteristics that contribute to most of these problems, and as a result they will never go away." Of course there are. But radical ideas, like democracy or racial / gender equality, that seem to go against the then understanding of human nature, have become commonly accepted before. Whether or not human nature is at play is somewhat irrelevant because human nature can and does change. Human evolution is as memetic (cultural) as it is biological, maybe more. The way we construct and interact with society influences our psychology and perception of others, and vice versa. Things aren't as simple as, "Well, it's human nature, so nothing can change." The very concept of human nature is defined by our cultural values, and certainly subject to change, for better or worse.

              No offense intended, but it really seems like your opinion doesn't have much backing it besides your instinct.

              Also, I'm personally in favor of suicide - at least, insofar that people ultimately have the right to choose whether they want to live or not. But that's another debate.

              Edit: Just like to add that defending "we'll never be *completely void* of something" is very different from defending "we'll never make a significant improvement to something", although it appears that you're arguing the latter.

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      4 years ago

      Depends. Some physical dilemmas like climate change and sexaul abuse if that counts, would still fit my theory. But yeah, the moral problems are a result of human nature to take advantage of and feel better than others, so those conflicts will always be relevant.

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        4 years ago

        Ok gotcha. Not sure I agree with the blanket statment, but you do bring up a good point. I feel like this happens a lot on here. People have the right concept, and they take it to the extreme and post about it.

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          4 years ago

          If you don't think it is true to the same extent I do, that is fine. We can agree to disagree, but my opinion has not shifted.

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  • Grunewald
    4 years ago

    It will take the Second Coming of Christ... Which as Lestat implies basically equates to humanity ceasing to be what it is today.
    But I do believe that there will come a time when those things will be a distant memory...

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      4 years ago

      Ummm Ruth, I'm not disappointed with you just yet. But, it's been 2000 years since the crucifixion. During this time, history gives us case studies about preconditions that cause things to go right in certain centuries, like the Renaissance; and preconditions that cause things to go bad like the Crusades, or the bloody first half of the 20th century. Science and technology have flourished in certain centuries, and then gone dark in others.

      You're not an emotionally mindless female aloof to logical thought. How about some analysis? You know, game theory, societal organization, recurrent power consolidation, stuff like that. I have faith in you. Shoot.

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        4 years ago

        Preach! I like you now!

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    • RoseIsabella
      4 years ago

      For yourselves know perfectly, that the day of the Lord shall so come, as a thief in the night. 😉

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        4 years ago

        Omg rose! You aren't Christian are you? That would be dissapointing, but your not obnoxious about it and your nice so its not the end of the world. But I still hope your not..

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          4 years ago

          I'm not just Christian, I'm Roman Catholic. We've been kicking it old school in my church since 33 A.D.

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            4 years ago

            Interesting how you agreed with my post in your original comment, but yet you are Catholic. Doesn't this god you belive in have the answers to all our problems? Isn't everything bad happening going to turn out good in the end? It is all part of God's plan isn't it?

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              4 years ago

              I think the main thing is that people aren't perfect, and they in fact naturally flawed, and prone to mistakes. Human beings are never going to be perfect. It's ridiculous, and foolhardy to ever think that things will ever be perfect.

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            • RoseIsabella
              4 years ago

              I honestly can't even pretend to know what God's plan is in the great scheme of things. I personally think if a person just follows the Ten Commandments that it's a good way to stay out of trouble. It's all very basic stuff that even a lot of agnostics, and atheists can understand.

              I can't answer your deeper questions that you have made in your comment, but perhaps on a weekday afternoon you could call up a few Catholic churches, and ask to speak to a priest, and maybe that way you might get some better answers.

              It's okay to call up, and ask clergy these sort of questions. They can't pull you through the phone line, and force you you to convert.

              I don't believe in sola scriptura, presdestination, or a lot of other Protestant doctrines.

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          • Doesnormalmatter
            4 years ago

            Well that is not as bad... so if I have premarital sex I am not the devil? How much tolerance do you have for those who don't agree? I'm curios because your one of the wiser users on here.

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              4 years ago

              Well, it's not a contest. I live my life the way I believe, but I don't really like to push my beliefs on other people, because I don't care to have other people push their beliefs on me either. Even if someone tries to push his, or her beliefs on me I'm in no way obligated to change myself to suit the beliefs of someone else.

              Additionally I can have my opinions about whatever other people do in their lives, but I recognize that those people are in no way obligated to change themselves to suit my tastes, morals, values, and or beliefs.

              Lots of people online, even here on Is It Normal, but especially on YouTube get really upset when someone else disapproves of them, their life choices, their morals, values, beliefs, etcetera, but really I don't think it matters too much. If someone asks for advice I tell the person what I think will help him, or her and or, what has helped me in my life. The person can choose to take the advice, or decide not to do so, but either way it really doesn't affect me.

              I value freedom of expression over political correctness, and not offending anyone. I think the more comfortable one gets with setting boundaries, and telling other people no the easier it becomes to tolerate differences of opinion, and beliefs. It's also important to recognize that others have the right to tell us no as well.

              I think the main reason people have problems with each other is more about codependency issues than anything else.

              Yes, I'm a Christian, and for example if I ever decide to date again I would prefer to date another Roman Catholic Christian like myself, but other people are free to practice their religion, or lack thereof as long as they don't try and push that on me.

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    • Doesnormalmatter
      4 years ago

      Typical christians thinking they have the solution to everyone's problems! Tell this jesus to take his time coming back so I can have my share of pre-marital sex and porn before he cuts me off. Can you do that for me?

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  • CreativeThinker
    4 years ago

    its a fucked up world and GOD is a failed architect .....

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      4 years ago

      I don't even think god created the world tho!

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  • chuy
    4 years ago

    I agree with OP

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      4 years ago

      Thanks buster! I am honestky suprised at how few people I have triggered so far with this post. Was expecting a lot more dispute.

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        4 years ago

        Lol

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          4 years ago

          Kinda how it goes on this site ...

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            4 years ago

            You're so right!

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              4 years ago

              Its funny when its other people, buy when I actually post something serious, it really bugs me how triggered people get for no apparent reason.

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  • brutus
    4 years ago

    Agreed.

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      4 years ago

      Good! Someone accepts reality over touchy-feely bullshit!

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  • Indigo1
    4 years ago

    I think its all about small goals since many of these problems are at a scale beyond our lifetimes.

    The "graph" if you will, won't spike to zero... but the idea is to continue the trend downward. thinking of the unobtainable in a life time finish line will only stunt humanities ability to finish the race. you gotta just focus on the the next mile marker, as we all collectively hand the race off to the new generations.

    Despite the world being as chaotic as it is, studies have been done that show that this is one of the more peaceful times in all of history, I know it's hard believe but when you compare it to the brutal past we have come a long way despite us being still deep in the woods.

    It's all about continuing down that road, a road with many bends of course..a road we could make a U turn on in a heartbeat.. but there are people who fight to continue in that direction.. and while there efforts may seem futile, in the big picture its like the ant colony collectively inching towards the common good. like how your single "vote seems so insignificant" but we are like a collective organism in a way so your vote how ever small it may seem is still a drop on the scale. and your drop on the scale influences other drops and it can echo out further than you could ever think possible.

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      4 years ago

      That was encouraging and very feel goody and insprirational! If only it had any of this thing called "reality" considered in it. It sounds like a motivational speech trying to get me to donate to you charity or some shit. Technology is helping us with some things, no doubt. But the general trend is not much upward if at all, and none of the problems I listed will ever stop being problems. In my opinion of course!

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        4 years ago

        if you believe improvements of any kind can be made on any of the problems you listed how ever small, then i'd argue that you must believe that given enough time humanity has the potential to one day fix them. ill be it some of them are embodied in human nature so they may not be completely abolished, but even a significant reduction could be considered solving the problem with many of them.

        so in other words, imagine theses problems are %100 now... if you believe it is POSSIBLE for humanity in todays age to make one of these problems 1% better making it 99% as bad as it was before... what would make you think that it would impossible in the future to make it 98% and so on. doest matter the number you use.. if you agree improvements can be made than you must agree with the rest. and id argue if you think 0 improvements can be made then you are not living in reality because they are and have been being made. Ill be it not without shit storms of nonsense ill give you that. Remember I'm talking "possible" NOT inevitable because you are talking "impossible".

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          Buddy...that is not what I mean, allow me to explain. Problems can be improved, but they get worse at the same time. Its complicated I know. Like for example, if we take climate change. Say a whole neighbourhood switches to solar panels and it helps the problem. One step at a time right? But for every panel that goes up, natural gas buring plants are built or expanded and millions of gas cars take the road among other things. So positive steps can happen, but they will always be balanced out by negative things. That is according to my theory, which is my opinion of course!

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  • Lestat565
    4 years ago

    There is a way of fixing these problems. It just takes the extinction of the human race. I personally hope it happens soon. The universe would be better off without our worthless species.

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      4 years ago

      yoooowtf

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        4 years ago

        Yep, he has issues or is trolling.

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        • Lestat565
          4 years ago

          So anyone who disagrees with you or has a different opinion is a troll or has issues. If you disagree that’s fine. But don’t paint me as that when it’s not true.

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            4 years ago

            Well if your opinion is that we need to exterminate the human race, I do think you have issues.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      Well someone has a negative outlook! What good does it do to have such a somber outlook on your existence? The replies I have gotten on this post so far have made me worried that everyone just gets a more negative and hopeless outlook on life.

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        4 years ago

        There’s no point in pretending that humanity is a good thing for this planet. In my opinion it’s a realistic outlook. We humans have had plenty of time to get our shit together but instead we continue to destroy everything we come in contact with including ourselves. If we go extinct it would be a good thing.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          Damn bro! What makes you think we owe the earth something. The earth has no feelings buster. Why should we feel obligated to be a good thing for the earth? We should not do the things I have listed as example problems, for the sake of other people, not making it so the earth is 'better off'. I my opinion of course! What does making the earth 'better off' even mean anyway?

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            4 years ago

            My point isn’t that the planet has feelings. My point is that we are a useless violent stupid species. We are undeserving of the planet we live on because we have and will continue to destroy it. And I include myself among the violent and stupid human race.

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              4 years ago

              Then how can we be a good or bad thing for this planet if it has no feelings? Also, most of the problems I listed were people to people conflicts. How does us as humans commiting rape or murder do a disservice to the planet? Either way, you seem like quite a glass half empty guy, although your not totally wrong. Be careful though, this mindset that it is human nature to do evil and ther is nothing we can do about it, might make people more likely to commit such evils. Or at least they won't make much effort to do something about it.

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    • Doesnormalmatter
      4 years ago

      Way to make things seem even more doom and gloom there mate! Kind if true tho. I do belive solutaions are theoretically possible, but just not realistic. So I'm not sure killing off everyone is the only theoretical way, just the only practical way.

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        4 years ago

        If the solutions were possible then I’d feel differently. But I believe we are to violently stupid of a species to do any good. All we will do is what we have been doing all along. Destroying the planet and everything we come across. If we killed all but 5% of the human species maybe we would have a chance at being worth something. But that will never happen unfortunately.

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          4 years ago

          What do you meanby we can't do any good? Destroying the planent is going to happen and is kind of inevitable if you ask me. How can you expect 7 billion of us to inhabit the earth and leave it as nice as we found it? Also pleade stop talking about killing poeple off. Your taking it quite lightly. What if someone like hitler thought that way? It seems like you would try to justify it.

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            4 years ago

            What do I mean when I say we can’t do any good. Well look at our history. We have consistently destroyed the planet whenever possible. We have found new and cruel ways to torture and kill each other. We not only killed our own but every other creature on the planet, sometimes just for fun. We don’t have a balance with our environment we infect it and destroy it. I’m far from hitler. Hitler did what he did because he hated anyone that wasn’t the nonexistent super race he wanted. He killed the Jews because they had a different make believe sky daddy. To me all are equally useless. I wish I could believe that humanity was better than what it is but that’s a lie. Right now we have no chance of survival as it is in my opinion. And that’s a good thing. We are violent animals that think we are special. We are not.

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              4 years ago

              I dunno mate. Humans are evil. I get it. I agree. But I have tw points of contention with you right now.

              1.Saying we humans think we are special. I can definently make the case that we are. We are the only animals with complex technology and ingenuity. What other organism can even come close in terms of emotional complexity, creativity and structure?

              2. You love to focus on the negative. Your not wrong with how things are, but why do you care so much? I know lots of shit in this world is fucked up, but still not enough of it effects me to get in between me and my goals. I think it is nore mentally healthy to focus on yourself, your goals and those around you. What good does it do to vent online about how fucked up the world is over and over? Why not try to spread a more positive vibe?

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    • RoseIsabella
      4 years ago

      I'm sure there are probably other life forms out in the vast Universe that are worse than we small, and insignificant humans on is planet Earth.

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        4 years ago

        There likely are other species in the universe somewhere. But I can only speak for my species since we have no evidence yet that others exist. I believe that they do exist but right now we know nothing about them.

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          4 years ago

          ... and Lord knows I ain't tryna meet em.
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        4 years ago

        Well that is an interesting thought! Do you think they have the same typa problems as us?

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          4 years ago

          Maybe, but maybe not?

          Do you prefer Star Trek, or Star Wars?

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            4 years ago

            I like both as fictional stories but if the human species does last I’d like it to become more Star Trek. Tho there are some indications that the federation could be fascist.

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              I think I like Star Trek better.

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            4 years ago

            Neither one! How about reality? Can we talk about that next?

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  • Silver_Discrete
    4 years ago

    I BELIEVE, we should all learn about peripheral vision and like move on from that.
    Or like hmmm, pick a subject from the day we are in Kinder theeen move on from there. Pffft why is dystopian life so far?

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      4 years ago

      How is this comment relative to the post? What option did you vote for and why?

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  • LloydAsher
    4 years ago

    I mean there are TECHNICALLY ways to defeate these major problems it's just that most of them involve mass genocide and restricting people's freedoms. Or that's what my plans would involve if I became mad with power.

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      4 years ago

      That is what I think also. The solutions are not impossible like OP seems to imply. But rather they are so impractical that they will never happen. People do minimize problems also to comfort the snowflakes.

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      4 years ago

      Who would you go after under a mass genocide? I think ill survive it because me and my family will be living in the woods.

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        4 years ago

        99.8% of the population. I think most of the OPs problems would be solved if there was just less people. I dont want this personally.

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          4 years ago

          Don't you think those billions of mates have the right to live? I understand population control from a preventative standpoint, but I hope your joking with this shit. Can never tell on this site it seems like.

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            4 years ago

            I just wanted to solve the author's original problem. How do we solve the worlds problems? The only way to truly solve the problem currently is just kill nearly everyone. I'm just stating this as just a solution to the author's problem. Not as an actual legitimate solution.

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              4 years ago

              What OP has purposed does not seem like a 'problem' per se. He is more trying to state it like it is in my estimation. I don't think a radical and unrealistic solution for all the worlds problems is very relevant to this post.

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        • AMERICANsavage
          4 years ago

          If 99% of the population was gone who would be incharge of manufacturing? You need people to do this. Who would cut the grass around the cities and maintain the buildings? All great cities would be overun by trees and weeds. Electricity wouldnt run. If there was no truck drivers you wouldnt have access to necessities.

          A lot of dictators dont think genocide through until its too late and it hurts them. Theres winners and losers in life, but losers have their own jobs too and those jobs are very important!

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            4 years ago

            Yes but then there would only be the needs of 1% of the population then. The percentages of jobs would still be the same. The remaining people would group up in an area the size of Texas. Then go on from there.

            Im not validating genocide. I'm validating my original answer to solve the OPs question. That would solve most of the problems or more probably just make them less prevalent. I dont want genocide that's so stupid to think I want genocide because then I would be on the kill list because I'm an invalid when it comes to the perfect man theory.

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              4 years ago

              Ohh i see
              I've heard that argument before from smart people. The guy with the highest IQ in the world gives the same argument. He believes that to fix the worlds problems we should have to get a permit to have a child and only the highest IQ, and strongest people get to reproduce. Thats his way of ending world hunger and poverty.

              https://youtu.be/j-788Upky2Y

              Thats him. Its interesting

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      4 years ago

      Mass genocide!!! Gosh I hope you never get elected!

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