Is it wrong that i think evolution denyers are absolute tools?

I try my best to be as non judgemental as possible. But the fact that 34% percent of people in the US deny evolution is fucking appalling. I thought by now we were all on the same page? Like I'm not knocking on anyones religion but jesus christ, Creationists really test my patience. I get its a spiritual thing but when people start denying a widely accepted theory while somehow still believing that theres a man in the sky who initially stated that if a woman is raped by a man she must marry him, idk it pisses me off. am I wrong for being pissed off at this?

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  • AmourPropre

    I am a Christian and God is not just a “big man in the sky.” The fact that with all the modern science and technology, they can still not prove that God isn’t real speaks for itself. I don’t think many people in developed nations deny science, there is still no 100% proven explanation for how the Big Bang started

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  • Tommythecaty

    *Denier

    You tool.

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  • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

    this must be that rule 34 ive read so much about

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  • CountessDouche

    What!!?? 34 fucking percent....holy fuckballs. I had no idea it was that high. I suppose it should have been obvious due to all the retards milling around, but one in three people is shocking.

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    • S0UNDS_WEIRD

      Yeah. Studies show people are stupid as shit.

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      • CountessDouche

        Studies-shmudies. I only need to log on here to realize how many fucking retards populate this flat disk we call earth...all these sTientists trying to spread lies about how it's roundish.

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        • S0UNDS_WEIRD

          That's what I mean. It's such a bunch of bullshit. Like, sometimes you just gotta use your head, you know? They tell us to believe this gravity shit is pulling everything down and then tell us we're on a fucking ball like we're not gonna fall off that shit ASAP. As if that's not enough they go to tell us the shit is SPINNING.

          I don't need their fake "photos". I can look out my window. That shit is flat.

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  • S0UNDS_WEIRD

    By complete chance, earlier this morning I typed this comment up, so I might as well repost it here. It's me starting off with listing some proven facts and then explaining why they're difficult to reconcile with the Bible even when thinking symbolically:

    About plants, it's a bit fuzzy. Eukaryotic cells developed about 2 billion years ago when one cell engulfed another and formed a symbiotic relationship with it instead of digesting it. This is what led to organelles (a cell's internal organs). The engulfed cell became mitochondrial in nature.

    At this point, cyanobacteria already existed. They were photosynthetic and predate plants, animals, and fungi. They helped oxidize the Earth, as oxygen is the byproduct of their form of photosynthesis. This is very plant-like but they weren't plants.

    About 1.5 billion years ago the previously mentioned eukaryotic cells branched out three ways so as to later form fungi, animals, and plants. The plant lineage engulfed aforementioned cyanobacteria and gained yet another new organelle: the chloroplast. This was the true birth of plants.

    Technical animals, plants, and fungi were born more or less simultaneously. While they had new features from forming symbiotic relationships with engulfed cells that became organelles, they were technically single-celled at this point and didn't behave much like the animals, plants, and fungi we think of today.

    About 900 million years ago, various eukaryotes of all three of these branches began to exhibit colonial behavior, eventually making the jump from close-knit colonies to true multicellular organisms. We can see this sort of jump happening again today with choanoflagellates, which are incredibly similar to early unicellular animals.

    There were some important developments in all three branches after the jump to multicellular but it wasn't until around 535 million years ago that life finally went nuts; after several billion years of playing the long game and developing a foundation for this, life finally had the means to immensely diversify and something resembling the modern ecosystem began to emerge via natural selection during something known as the Cambrian Explosion. It required just 5 million more years for vertebrates to appear among countless other new body plans.

    While the aforementioned three branches developed essentially simultaneously, it was 465 million years ago that plants indeed first started making a serious jump from the ocean and taking over the land before the other two branches.

    440 million years ago, lobe-finned fish developed sacs that allowed them to gulp a small amount of air when oxygen levels in the water fell too low. These sacs eventually became lungs and allowed for tetrapods (four-legged animals) to live in shallow water. About 397 millions years ago they left the water altogether and later even gave rise to amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals.

    Contrary to common thought regarding animals, it was the ancestors of modern mammals, not modern reptiles, that first dominated the land. Sauropsids were the ancestors of dinosaurs and synapsids were the ancestors of mammals. Synapsids were extremely reptile-like though. About 320 millions years ago, they dominated the land as various huge creatures well before the dinosaurs did.

    Then about 250 million years ago, an extinction event far worse than what later happened to the dinosaurs occurred; it wiped out 95% of life on Earth. Despite that, sauropsids survived in small numbers and gave rise to the dinosaurs that would now dominate the land. The previously ruling synapsids survived only as small, nocturnal creatures that would give rise to modern mammals.

    Well, just when dinosaurs were getting cocky, SMASH! They had a good run, but as we all know well, 65 million years ago they suffered an extinction event when an impact offered an Uno reverse card on top of that last extinction event. This event wasn't as bad as the aforementioned one overall but it spelled the end for dinosaurs and mammals took over.

    6 million years ago the ancestors of modern day humans branched away from chimpanzees and bonobos.

    There's little hope of rectifying the Bible with all this. As I have said, to even attempt to you have to jump through some serious hoops and there's zero hope of condensing it into seven literal, modern days.

    This is far from the first time I've encountered the possibility that we're using YHWH's thousand-year days. All the same, Earth spent its first 7,000 years with a lava ocean for a surface, so that's not looking good. In fact, I can even offer a handicap and allot YHWH million-year days. All the same, those first 7,000,000 years Earth was a hellhole daily experiencing bombardment as it coalesced, impacts worse than what would later be rare extinction events.

    So I suppose we can allow YHWH to cheat just to _really_ play the Devil's advocate here because it's the only way. We can ignore the fact that the solar system formed simultaneously from a solar nebula and that we've confirmed Earth and the moon are the same age via radiometric dating. We can pretend the sun illogically didn't yet exist until the fourth day and allow him to use whatever duration he wanted before that point so as to ensure the Earth isn't a horrible hellhole at the point that he supposedly makes oceans, land, and plants such as trees.

    Well we immediately run into some serious trouble. Most obviously, we're using units of many millions of years, so plants are expected to have survived this without the sun. This is ignoring the millions of years it required for plants to evolve and that the necessary cyanobacteria, as photosynthetic organisms, could never have thrived without the sun. This is all ignoring that the Earth would be frozen without the sun, but again, we're throwing logic in the garbage left and right to make this work. Frankly, you have to have the sun in place.

    So when YHWH creates the sun, he also creates the moon. As the moon has a powerful tidal effect on the planet, its sudden introduction would have absolutely _shit-wrecked_ the land until things stabilized, ruining all the previous progress there.

    So on the fifth day YHWH makes creatures of the sea. It's nice that he creates them before creatures of the land. It's not so nice that he creates them after flowering plants which didn't exist until _billions_ of years after creatures of the sea. He also creates flying creatures before creatures of the land, which didn't happen that way.

    There's simply no reconciliation here. To even _speculate_ that this is true, one has to perform Olympian level mental gymnastics and certainly resort to so much symbolism and "because magic" arguments that one can just as readily argue the credibility of any book of the fantasy genre.

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    • dude_Jones

      Dude. Your comment is excellent shit. I'm saving a screen shot for future reference. Just a couple of comments.

      1. I was looking for you to mention the appearance of sexual reproduction just prior to the Cambrian explosion because it splatters genes throughout a population like throwing confetti into a fan.

      2. I figure Day One of genesis starts when the Earth was a void in the accretion disk around our solar nebula. The nebula hit pressure and temperature to trigger thermonuclear fusion four billion years ago. Then there was brightness. Before that there was only starlight. Genesis says nothing about a Big Bang 13.8 billion years ago. As such it's folk tales from primitive thinkers which is better studied by cultural anthropologists.

      I also have an ancillary interest in abiogenesis, evolution of proto-cells, and panspermia for our corner of the galaxy. Facebook has these research areas covered and also a group called The Virtual Astrobiology Society. To get in, you write a paragraph articulating your interests to audition for membership. This keeps the riff-raff from getting in. You would blend in perfectly with your high intelligence, and academic work. Check it out.

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      • S0UNDS_WEIRD

        That's very valid. One could also argue that it described the birth of the electromagnetic force itself at the beginning of the Quark Epoch and thusly the fundamental forces as we know them; the universe is now shaped by four fundamental forces: gravity, the weak nuclear force, the strong nuclear force, and electromagnetism. During the Planck Epoch they were unified as one grand force but as average energy distribution level decreased it splintered.

        First gravity splintered from the unified force. The remainder was then called the electrostrong force. Then the strong nuclear force splintered from this, rendering the remainder the electroweak force. Finally this split so as to form the weak nuclear force and electromagnetism. There were then the four forces we obey today. All of this happened in just 10 to the negative 12th power of a second after the beginning of the Big Bang.

        The birth of electromagnetism marked the beginning of the Quark Epoch. As the photon is the gauge boson force carrier of electromagnetism, the familiar universe did in a sense begin with light, but we're both likely giving a bit too much credit to a guy who doesn't exist and scarcely got anything else right in his entire book.

        Still, it's really difficult to choose a side. On one hand we have mathematics, physics, supportive data, and evidence, but on the other hand we have talking snakes, fruit that makes you evil, contradictions, and a magic sky man who had people kill his son so he could... forgive them. Obviously is this a very even playing field in terms of logic and there's absolutely nothing depressing about the fact that this is even a debate in 2021. It's very understandable that the species that created computers and walked on the moon struggles with this very difficult call. Determining whether or not snakes can talk is definitely right up there with our attempts to unify gravity with quantum mechanics and obtain the so-called "theory of everything". In other words, that quest and the one to determine whether or not snakes talk are equally daunting tasks, perhaps beyond the ability of the human brain; we may have to develop a sup-human intelligence via an artificially intelligent quantum computer to figure out if snakes can talk. This is next-level shit, maybe even the level after the next level.

        I'm fairly fascinated by abiogenesis. Despite its currently elusive nature, I suspect that abiogenesis is common, perhaps even moreso than panspermia; experiments such as the Miller-Urey experiment suggest that, just as chemistry is a natural manifestation of physics, biology is a natural manifestation of chemistry rather than a freakish accident.

        It's also worth noting that there are likely heaps of biology variants. The progression of science is like a tree and thusly branches out. While there are different areas of mathematics, it's one coding language, the only one possible. Physics is like an operating system. Our universe uses a particular operating system, but any OS that can be described by mathematics likely exists and most of us now indeed suspect that there's actually a multiverse containing other universes with different laws of physics that are nonetheless explainable by mathematics. In fact, some people even suspect that the discrepancy between the apparent mass of galaxies and their apparent behavior isn't resolved by dark matter or modified gravity but by other universes or "OSs" subtly affecting our universe merely by being in the same multiverse or "stored on the same physical drive".

        Within our set of physics, the rules in turn give rise to multiple types of chemistry, one happening to be familiar biochemistry. It only logically follows that tradition doesn't end here and that a myriad of biologies exist as well. Non-carbon-based biochemistries seem like they could work, especially those of silicon. Sagan referred to limiting the search for extraterrestrial life to Earth-like conditions as "carbon chauvinism".

        Even more likely (almost incontrovertibly even), alternative-chirality biomolecules of even our familiar system should work. Terrestrial life virtually always uses L-form amino acids and D-form sugars, but there's virtually no reason to suspect that an anti-chiral system using D-form amino acids and L-form sugars wouldn't work. It would manifest as a macroscopically identical, microscopically mirrored biology that was incompatible with ours despite appearance. It's a matter of stereochemistry.

        Regardless of chirality and choice of atom, it's suspected that non-water solvents could foster life. It's also suspected that just as plants are green so as to optimize photosynthetic compatibility with our star and distance therefrom, yellow and red plant-like organisms may be incredibly common so as to make the most of varying stellar situations.

        Going incredibly far from familiar life, it's even possible that dust particles suspended in plasma could lead to systems technically fitting some definitions of life. In fact, computer simulations showed such particles self-organizing into microscopic helical structures! Sound familiar?

        More mind-blowing still, deep inside stars, monopole particles threaded on cosmic strings provide both a mechanism to encode information and to reproduce. Perhaps the most alien form of life I've described, it also very well may be the simplest and most common form of life in the universe.

        At any rate, I'll definitely check that group out. Thanks for the suggestion.

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        • dude_Jones

          No problem; I think you'll enjoy the group.

          Btw, I agree with you on the "even playing field". The magic sky man, talking snakes, fruit causing evil have competed for head space against 72 virgins in paradise, and other outrageous calls for mindless followers for over 20 centuries. After 100 generations or so, irrational persuasion becomes tuned by the Darwinian selection of ideas. Exploitation of primitive human impulses and insecurities is optimized by exactly the right amount of emotional shock and awe. And, I suspect that the same irrationality is being simulated by AI in the advertising industry to mimic the success of religious indoctrination.

          I took a class in string theory not long ago. The quark epoch has some cool math associated with it; good topic for future discussion.

          Peace out.

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          • S0UNDS_WEIRD

            I hope it didn't go beneath the radar that the entire fourth paragraph was relentless sarcasm. I find it ridiculous that people seriously consider such things now and I consider it all a more or less closed case.

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            • dude_Jones

              I would think that fervent followers of the magic sky man would be as completely oblivious to the sarcasm, as they are to the inanity of religion. These people lack the intelligence to even survive an ice age like our ancestors did 10,000 years ago. In the last century, every decade has seen the bell curve for IQ skew further to the right. Honestly, it's sad.

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    • damn that was long but worth the read. learned more from this than my biology class in highschool.

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  • Somerandomguyiknow

    Why do you care about what someone else believes? It's a weird thing to get upset over. And do you know the sample size of the 34% who surveyed?

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