Lets just conclude that all women want bad boys, right?

I don't want a 'bad boy'. Nor do I want someone who 'buys them roses and chocolate all the time, give them teddy's, their favorite hoodies and sweaters'.

I'd like a normal person, please.

Charli.m already gave the perfect answer. But you're not the only person with this opinion about 'nice guys' and women. I think there are several reasons for this misconception.

1. When a girl turns a guy down, for whatever reason, she'll usually say things like: "But you're a really good guy, really nice and you'll definitely find someone and bladibladibla."

If a girl says something like that, she's not turning you down because you're too nice. She's just trying to spare your feelings.

2. When a woman says she likes a 'bad boy', she doesn't mean she likes jerks. 'Bad boy' is more of an image thing. Some women love it if a guy acts like a bit of a macho, others detest it. These women want a guy with a tough exterior but with a soft side.

There's nothing wrong with wanting that in a man, but personally, I don't find the women who are into the whole 'bad boy' thing very interesting.

3. Some men confuse 'niceness' with self-imposed slavery. There's nothing wrong with being there for your girlfriend, but don't become her personal butler. That's not the kind of life you want to have, and it's highly unattractive.

4. Sometimes, you'll see a girl with a guy and you'll think "I can't believe she's dating that's jerk."
I admit I think this as well. But if a girl is dating a guy who treats her like crap, she probably has some severe emotional issues. Just like I think that men who let themselves be bossed around by their girlfriend (see 3) are emotionally imbalanced.

Now, for your questions. I've been cheated on, like a lot of people. I've also been on plenty of dates. The reason why those relationships end have varying reasons. But let me tell you this. If a girl doesn't want to be in a relationship with me, it has nothing to do with my niceness. Being nice, polite and respectful are all good qualities. If I get dumped, it's usually because of my personality flaws.

For example, I know that I can be very flaky, and I sometimes suffer from heavy moodswings, partly governed by chronic pains. I try not to make my bad qualities have too much of an impact on my relationship, but sometimes I mess up. And that's the kind of stuff that can break a relationship.

Most of the times a relationships turn sour because of mistakes both of the parties make. Sometimes though, it's a 100% my fault. I admit that, and I try to avoid these mistakes in the future. I think you need to admit sometimes, you mess up too. You're not perfect. It's ridiculous to blame a good quality like niceness for getting dumped.

TL;DR: Whether or not a woman wants to date a guy is decided by many factors. Being nice, polite and respectful to those around you is not a bad quality. Women do not want to be in a relationship with an abusive jerk.

I think the only thing I concluded from this is that you're a complete tosser. Ugh.

OP, you're a raging misogynist.

As other wiser people have said, women are not vending machines that you fill up with kindness coins until sex comes out. The "nice guy" stereotype is usually anything but.

Why would a nice guy assume that women were too stupid or shallow to know what was good for them -- and then presume to tell them as though they were ignorant children who needed his guidance?

Why would a nice guy assume that a woman's friendship was meaningless if it didn't eventually lead to sex?

Why would a nice guy feel so insecure that he constantly compared himself to other men in some kind of ridiculous penis-measuring contest to see who was "nicer?"

Here's a clue: Women don't sleep with men because they're nice any more than men sleep with women because they're nice. They go out with them because they *like* them. There's something there to like, some spark of personality that goes beyond just managing opening doors for her and managing not to date-rape her even if she gets a little tipsy. Oh, and let's not forget that the guys who have the best success with women are the ones who are friendly and confident with ALL women, not just ones they're trying to bed.

Learn how to be interesting. You don't have to be an ass to be interesting; you just have to have something in your life beyond the stink of desperation and misogyny that clings to most so-called "nice guys."

Grow up. There's no such thing as the friendzone unless you're the kind of mealy-mouthed cephalopod that no self-respecting woman would find interesting anyway.

I really don't like these "All women/men/blacks/whites/asians/muslims... are like that"-posts.

Also! Turn your question around. There's a lot of girls out there that you men will never date because you don't find her attractive. It's about playing in your own league. I've seen it so much; guys whining because they can't have the pretty girl bit they won't date the girls that actually like them because those boys don't think those girls are attractive. Lower your bloody standards and you'll have a girlfriend in a week.

I understand what you mean but this is not true for all girls. I just believe a good majority of young girls fall into this category. How old are you, by the way? Usually girls who are first year college and younger fall in love with a guy because of looks and other unimportant traits. When you start dating a woman, not a girl, they tend to make the right choices.

My father once told me that in order to consider having a serious relationship with a woman, you have to consider something very important. He told me, What do you have to offer her and what does she have to offer in return?" Of course there are tons of little factors that can determine the health of a relationship and longevity of one. Two compatible personalities, understanding, and common goal are important in a successful relationship.

I suggest that you stop going for young girls, if that is what you are doing. If this is not it, do not get with a girl who is not all about fun only but is serious about her life. I am not a relationship expert but after years of failed relationships, I am starting to choose the right traits in a woman such as my girlfriend. I wish you luck in the future.

Nice guys are only trying to do the same thing bad boys are; sleep with you.
They just think that buying us things will get us naked. Then they get pissed off when the girl doesn't think being bought everything is a good enough reason to get naked.
Bottom line, girls want someone who genuinely cares about us not our pink bits.

The reason why the "good guys" don't get the girl is because most of them lack the confidence it takes to get a decent girl. They're over there wallowing in self pity when all they have to do is stop being such a wuss and man up. Girls like the "bad boys" because they have the confidence to get a girl. They don't necessarily deserve a girl, but because it's hard to find a confident guy these days, they take what they can get.

I've had "good guys" like me. They don't try. They sit there and act like your best friend waiting for divine intervention before they ask for a date. The "bad boys" at least flirt and show you that they care about how you look and/or feel. They make a move. They're not too much of a chicken to show a girl what they want.

Girls don't like games, guys!! I for one prefer someone who is straight up with me; someone willing to tell me how beautiful I am, how smart I am, and how great of a personality I have. Not someone who lacks the confidence to even mention their feelings to me.

Pro tip: You're not nice.

Oh look another boy whining on internet about friend zone. Let me just tell you there is no such a thing as friend zone. You can be niceas much as you want but that doesn't make you person I'd want as a boyfriend. Girls don't want "nice" or "bad" boys they want someone with same interests who treats them nicely but doesn't act like some gentleman everyday. If girl says she wants to be friends it means you're just not attractive to her. You guys think how pitiful you are but you don't date every female friend you have too right? Women have every right to say "no" so stop whining.

Here we go again!

Oh, for Pete’s sake all you “nice guys” who complain about how no girl wants you because girls only date douche bags and bad boys. Get real! It’s not that she doesn’t want a nice guy. It’s that she just doesn’t want you. Get over yourselves. I swear you’re pathetic!

Most people who say 'Nice guys finish last' are not nice guys, they think they are but they aren't. You certainly are not a nice guy. As well there is a difference between a nice guy and a push over. I want someone who is nice to me and cares about me, but I don't want a pushover, or someone who will follow me and do everything I say, they need to be assertive and have confidence. Just because you've been screwed over by girls doesn't mean every girl is like that.

I'm pretty sure the guys who get the girls don't get them because they're good or bad. They get them because they're hot. In fact I believe *most* of the "bad boys" are the way they are BECAUSE they know they're hot and women want them, so they can do whatever they want and still get girls.

This is why you're single. Why do you even go after women if you think this about all of us? No, seriously.

Let me also say that just being "nice" isn't enough. Good for you, you're nice. You're sweet. But what do you have to offer? Kindness? That's it? Kindness won't pay the bills, kindness won't take care of me when I am sick and kindness certainly won't feed any kids you might want to have. You can't be as nice of a guy as you might think if your attitude is "screw the female species" and you can't be that smart either, because female is a sex, not a species.

My husband is about as far from the "bad boy" stereotype as you can get. The only thing bad about him is his old, beat up junker. He's also very intelligent, he works, he has mechanical skills, he has career goals that he is pursuing, he has practical, real world skills and work experience. He's useful as fuck around the house, makes a great husband and will someday make a great father. That's what INTELLIGENT women look for in a husband. These girls that like jerks don't start looking for it until they realize that good looks and good dick alone won't pay child support.

Just about every other married woman I know married a man who isn't "the bad boy". In addition, most of the girls I know don't date those assholes. Because I don't hang around stupid bitches. I know the difference and most women aren't those stupid bitches. You only think they are because they're the women that men like you enjoy going for. Maybe we should change the "nice guys finish last" to "intelligent women who have self-respect finish last".

I think the options on here are sickening. Screw the female species? We bring you into this world and carry you for 9 months! LOL! It's some of you men or should I say "Boys" That are messed up. First of all, you are not looking for the right girls!!! I am with a nice guy, I ACTUALLY HATE "BAD BOYS"...and I know many other women who are the same. It's just some bullshit you hear about. Some girls do like bad boys, but it goes the other way around. There are also guys that like "bad girls" as well as good girls.

I'm not interested in bad boys.

It would be nice to have a bit more male opinions here. Its all girls commenting for the most part so the thread is mainly gonna be bias. Pity.

Because certainly the reason you can't find a girl isn't because of your attitudes towards women or your general doucheyness.

Based on these poll results I would say IIN is full of a bunch of smug feminazi duchebag cunts!

''Girls'' want a man.

Our definition of a real man is:
- He must be nice and care for me.
- He must love me back as much as I do.
- He must show confidence and protect me whatever happens
- He must fuck the heck outta me, desire me and make me crazy in bed.

You are talking about ''nice guys'' but what do you mean exactly?... By nice guys I think you meant shy and not confident. And I am sorry but those are 2 completely different things. And yes we get fucked over because our instinct chose the one we are most attracted to sexually. We see the strong and bestial side which is shown by the man's confidence directly. We might hate ourselves for it, but its the very truth.

We just need the man who will fullfil our fantasies like you need a woman who'll do the same. And theres different fantasies, different men and different women. Perfect, isnt it?

If you are in high school and you are more of the shy guy, well you will have a harder time since girls dont know how it is to be hurt, or even to love. They just want to discover the man... Strong, handsome and fun.

It will change over the years.

Well... apparently you need to get over yourself and move on...

You apparently hangout with the WRONG women. I most certainly wouldn't date the "bad boy" neither would I date the so called "good guy". I want a guy that respects himself and others. Never would I want to be with a guy that has so many insecuities. I respect myself and others. My guy needs to independant and not rely on me, also to not think that I need reassurance all the time. I must trust him, which I would of course know he loves me for who I am.

Insecure people go for insecure people (You). I've seen a lot of so called nice guys go for bitches more so than the other way around too.

Sooo.... the answer is "No"... not all girls go for "bad guys".

LADIES! Bad boys are delicious female junk food. Suck on 'em, taste 'em, feel them with your passionate teeth. Afterward in a demure voice say, "I would never do that." Guilty pleasures for your inner sex kitten.

I agree. The good guys are where girls left them... In the friendzone.

I am in the friend zone. my sister was going to hook me up with her friend but thats not going to happen because her friend is a bit to heavyset for me.

The ones my age don't like me for who i am my self im not going to dress with saggy pants on poor looking just to satisfy them and make my self look like a jackass in-front of other people i don't know in public.

No, I hate them :(
I'm into the sweet, shy, quiet kind of guys :) the innocent type. I find them really cute ^_^

"bad boys" piss me off. I don't want the nice guy that you described of. Just someone nice. But not "creepy" nice.

I've had enough of bad boys.
I want a nice guy. Not someone who will buy me roses and chocolate all the time. Just a normal guy, someone that can make me feel at ease whenever we're apart because I can trust him. Someone that loves me just the way I am.

This does come off as a rant at first glance I'll admit but looking at the bottom lines. The guy has a point. The better people are generally overlooked for the more unrefined person. God knows why.

I want a normal person!

I'm not going to prove you wrong. I'm sure you have a reason for your rant.. or atleast I hope you have a reason aside from what you saw it on T.V. and hear about from other people. I'd like to speak for myself though and say that I do actually like nice guys. If a guy is an ass to me I become unresponsive and lose interest. I'm more of an emotionally turned on type. I need the connection and someone being genuinely nice to be interested.. There are a lot of fickle women these days though. I wouldn't say they go for bad boys, but I've noticed a trend in american women especially. For some reason of other, women are messed up. I've seen segments on girls who WANT to be strippers and prostitutes and actively search out pimps... What the hell?!?! Some men are seriously irked by this, but there are also the men who are living it up with these stupid women.. It's give and take. I visited america and have seen a lot of this first hand.. It's not just women.. it's society..

Bad boys were fun when I was young. When I started thinking about marriage and family it was bye bye to them.... no looking back!