Peeing sitting down

I'm a guy that pees sitting down from time to time, usually at home. In public, I use the urinals. I do it less often nowadays, and actually almost not at all. When I was 8 or so, though, I did it all the time. Is that normal??

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  • strangelittleguy

    Absolutely normal. It's more relaxing, feels better

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    • dude_Jones

      You should pee sitting down in the middle of the night. Then you won't have to turn on the lights and blind yourself.

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      • handsomeshooter

        I often piss sitting down during the night in order to piss up the bowl and not splash into the water.I piss like thunder and it wakes people up,it also does help you not miss,but results in pissy ball bags if you don't shower,due to general close quaters splash back.

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        • DestroShinigani

          when you lift up the toilet seat thats meant for sitting and shitting do you happen to notice the side walls that dont have water...if you pee in there you have a lesser chance waking your peeps up

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    • smackthelittlefatty

      Agreed

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  • cindyskisail

    Although it is unfortunately widespread, standing to pee in a private home is not normal. Why would anyone choose to splash themselves and the surrounding area with urine when they can simply sit down? Standing while peeing will not make you more of a man, just makes you messy.

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    • ladygaga

      Exactaly!!! Americans just like feeling like they're the BIG DICKS, so they stand, and shake it, and make a huge mess that they're wives have to clean up. In fact, if anything STANDING to pee is gross, disrespectful, and unbecoming of a civilized human being.

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      • StrawberryTurtle

        why did you say americans you dick?

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      • Moi-Moi

        Some of us disgusting Americans have actual bidets in our homes.

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    • lala11

      Thank you!!! Men should pee standing in dirty public places like gas station bathrooms - not at home, unless they are going to promptly disinfect the surrounding area. TYVM. !

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    • oopsie

      But sometimes, it just won't fit in the bowl properly, and I end up peeing over the top into my pants. That sucks balls. I mean, it's not always the same size if you know what I mean...

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      • Lolfam

        Nobody's thing is that big.....

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    • ladyboy

      I half to pee sitting down after suffering a dog attack, I lost 70 percent of my penis and what was left was twisted and mangled so they had to remove what was left so I could pee and because I would have no way to relieve my self sexually they had to remove my testicles too and now I have to sit peering!

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      • Petersburg

        Wtf

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  • alienguy

    I lmost always pee sitting down, keeps the water from splashing all over the place and even if you cant see it it is doing it. So, especially at home I sit and pee

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  • Justavian

    When i'm tired, and i'm at home, i often pee sitting down. Basically i'm just lazy, and i want to be able to sit down and relax without having to pay attention to where i'm peeing...

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  • joryjory

    I don't understand why most of us men pee while standing up.. Its disgusting. Pee splats all over the place and makes a disgusting mess. I completely agree with this being normal, especially in the middle of the night (you don't have to turn on the light!)

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    • daplet

      Yes i am a man and there are 2 big advantages with sitting to pee.You don't have to turn on the light or can be half asleep (it is self centering).If your the only Boy in the house no one will know who got up to pee.No bid deal,Girls sit all their life.

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    • Balls57

      don't want to spoil your point there, but men are built to pee standing. and to shit without an actual toilet. a squat-shitting kind of thing. google chinese toilet and see how humans are supposed to shit.

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      • IrishPotato

        Who are you to define how we're supposed to piss and shit? You tool >.>

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      • Moi-Moi

        So before the invention of trousers, when men wore flowing robes, you contend that they rolled up the cloth, held it under their chins, so they could stand to pee?
        I can just see Jesus doing this on the side of the road. Not.

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    • james1

      For a girl it is messy but for a guy its a lot less messy.

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    • auburntigersfan

      ok joryjory I disagree with you completely. I'm a guy and I love to pee standing up for many reasons: 1) It's a lot quicker than having to pull your pants down below your knees. (2 You don't have to worry about sitting on the same lid that everyone else has pissed all over. 3) If your in your own house you shouldn't have to turn the light on to pee standing up, at least I don't, I'm so comfortable with my bathroom I know right where to go.

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      • IrishPotato

        So? Everyone has their preferences. What is this, a political debate?

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        • handsomeshooter

          Toilitical debate?

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          • IrishPotato

            Touché.

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  • NOurNOTNormal

    site down if you like who cares

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  • ndaudi0425

    I'm a guy and when you stand up your pee sprinkles some times. Aiming is great but if you aim for the middle of the pond water splashes and hits the feet and that's not cool. I even bank it off the sides of the porclin some times that sort of works. Most times your still sprinkling and not even knowing. If you think about it your making a mini rain cloud over your floor in the bathroom. Try this guys see if I'm right, go bare foot and stand and make sure you pop the lid open for the ladys, stand and pee. Tell me if you feel some sprinkle sprinkle. I stand in public because public restrooms are gross anyways. I just hope to not get any reflect from the urinal. That's why I pee sitting down :) Normal :)

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    • Babygirl(:

      Thank for using u manners by saying "pop the lid for the ladies

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  • Tucknee32

    I love pissing sitting down. Why wouldn't you!!?? It's a seat.

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  • tuggy6

    I have to, Doctors orders, can't lift anything heavy!!

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    • fortytwotrees

      I respect you, sir.

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    • xxjenxx

      hahahaha! i like that! heavy lifting!!!

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  • Star1778

    i'm a guy, and i do the same thing. mainly because i don't want to end up peeing on everything in my bathroom, which tends to happen when you pee standing up.

    in public though, i always stand.

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  • herbivore

    Sitting FTW! If you actually have to clean your own toilet, you'd appreciate the lack of urine caked on the walls and toilet when you sit.

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  • slackjawedyokel

    i pee seating down especially when I go during the middle of the night.No aiming and no worry about peeing all over the floor while half asleep.just makes sense.

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  • PeaceLoveAndCaliSun

    I am a girl and I once wondered how it would be like to pee standing up so I just spread my legs one to each side of the toilet and began peeing and oh god I'm never doing that again OH LORD there was pee EVERYWHERE ahahahaha I Just blamed it on the guys

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    • Gwen7024

      HAHAHHAAH I did that once too xD

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    • fyinight1

      i think u know u dont have a dick ?

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    • Moi-Moi

      You have to spread your labia with your fingers to get a stream, just like guys with foreskins.

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    • oopsie

      That's so hot...

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    • FionnaCakeFan

      Oh, I once did that too. Ugh.

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    • Babygirl(:

      Im with ya its nasty

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  • tampabayallstar

    If you sit long enough, eventually a poop will come out. Just wait it out and this way you will be normal like the rest of the men.

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    • strangelittleguy

      LMFAO! Hilarious!!!

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  • Paul

    I usually sit and pee at home and at good friends' homes. Whenever I come to the place of someone I don't like or disrespect, I stand and pee, because I don't give a shit about the hygiene of their place.

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  • jojotheclown

    I pee sitting down when I'm at home. I think it started when I was tired, first waking up in the morning. But now, I realize it assures no "missed targets" or splashing onto the floor. It's just cleaner. Anywhere else, I always pee standing.

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    • Bobsbride

      There's nothing abnormal about it if that is what works for you. It definitely keeps your bathroom floor a lot cleaner since pee splatters all around, more than most guys know. Just ask any woman who has to clean the bathroom floor around the toilet on a regular basis. If you're not married, your wife may thank you one day. It's much more sanitary to pee sitting as no pee can get all around the floor. SO, don't feel bad if this is your choice. There's no rule that says just because a man has a penis he has to stand up to pee. :)

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    • DaAwesome12011

      And, it helps prevent kidney stones! LOL. I heard that from my parents about 5-6 years ago. LOL. I always pee sitting down, unless I have to go in a Port-A-John.

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  • shehan123

    this is not special this is NORMAL

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  • FoobiPhi

    i love sitting down to piss, it's great when you have to get up early in the morning, you can just sit there and piss and fall asleep on the john.

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  • Phantasma

    Does this mean you take a SHlT standing up?

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  • uhclem

    I'm a squatter. Always have been. Mommy didn't make me, as a matter of fact she tried to make me stand as did dad. I refused. Sitting is better. Everything drains. I go commando and nothing drips!

    I've noticed that the men who SHOUT and scream the most about how "wrong" sitting to pee is are very afraid someone will discover their latency, if you get my drift. They feel they have to over-compensate to fool people into not suspecting them of their true natures...

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    • WhyWardillion88

      i sit

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      • dinchuckdinchuck

        It's normal and not so queer as many would probably assume. I do it after a heavy night's party or sometimes in the mornings.. so i don't pee on myself.
        Do what you gotta do..

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  • ladygaga

    Dude, it's completely normal. German men sit down to piss at home NOT because they're feminine BUT because it doesn't make a mess with piss splashing everywhere. It's just a thing they do to keep their immaculate houses clean. In public, however, they stand, for hygienic reasons.

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    • cindyskisail

      for hygienic reasons it is much better to not touch the toilet in public places. There are so many people who are hurting and actually not even aware of the dangers of what they can be doing to others by spreading disease , they can sometimes not even care because of how much they are hurting

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  • bunrab

    It seems that most folks who think it's OK for men to pee sitting down either offer good reasons or ask for heavens' sake why not, while those who think it's not OK are like the last two posters and just say you're weird or not normal -- not particularly compelling arguments. I knew a guy once who had a "bashful bladder" -- an unfortunate condition officially known as paruresis, in which certain muscles involuntarily tighten when others are present, so they can't "go" when others are watching. He wound up staying home a lot, because if he went out to restaurants, bars, clubs, etc., and if he should need to pee (pretty much a certainty at some point), he might find someone else in the rest room, and then he couldn't pee. Going into the stall to sit would allow him to pee and so seemed like a perfectly reasonable solution, but he considered that "unmanly" and refused to do it, even if he was in significant pain. So he just didn't go out. Now THAT'S weird.

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  • JinNY

    Always pee at home sitting down. Less messy, more comfortable. I would out as well but feel the seat might be dirty.

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    • Mystogan

      do what u want but standing helps your leg muscles or how ever you spell it

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  • Whatever - but just walk into ANY man's public can & you'll see piss all over the place. Its disgusting. And guess who usually gets to clean it up in private homes?
    Men splash & miss etc all the time when standing & squirting. Its just weird why they are actually taught to do this.

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    • valsig

      I've not missed since I was little, I clean my own bathroom and have yet to notice odors or problems, maybe they need to learn how to aim if they're shooting all over, I say it feels better to stand.

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  • In a public restroom where urinals are available I will always use those. But at home I almost always sit; I find the pee spatter on the bowl and perhaps elsewhere such as my pants, shoes, or floor isn't worth the cleanup afterwards and I end up feeling more of a slob if I don't get everything in the bowl... it's not worth the hassle and I just prefer to sit at home.

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  • DJ_Slone

    Bodily excretion is a very important part of most peoples' life (subconsciencely). If it makes you more confortable, then go for it.

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  • kristina_696969

    y is there some law that says only woman can pee sitten down!
    If so I want to see that!

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    • blonde18uk

      i agree wiv kristina 696969 :D:D:D:D:D:D

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      • kristina_696969

        You know if his answer is right...the way he thinks...then he needs to start raising his leg when he pisses!! LMAO!!!

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  • prljavo

    I usually sit while peeing, when I'm at home. It's easier and cleaner. Simple as that.

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  • redpompom

    I wish my fella would, am sick of cleaning it off the wall it's totally out of order. Seriously, if you can do it without getting it all over the loo/wall then stand, or clean it. Totally like the idea they have in German apartment blocks, men not allowed to stand 11pm till 7am. If my fella keeps making mess an not cleaning it and waking baby at 5 or 6 am, sooner or later he'll have no choice in the matter!

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  • justmakessense

    It is pretty simple. It does not matter wether you pee sitting down or standing up. what matters is your own perception. Men who are sure of them selves pee sitting down or standing up, depending on the circumstance. the men who only pee standing up due to social perception are insecure about them selve, therefore only peeing as to what is perceive by society as being male. people it is a body function it is only abnormal if you think that it matters how you do it , not what you are doing.

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  • When I was about 10 I was feeling weak one day when I was sick and sat down to pee. I've done it on a few other occasions over my life. I find that usually when I poop I pee at the same time while I'm still sitting. It seems I pee after I poop more often than the other way around. These days I keep a bunch of books in my bathroom and like to take a few minutes to read over them when I go, I find that this leads me to sit down just to pee more often than I used to.

    Yeah, I think it qualifies as pretty normal.

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    • funnyjoke22

      ok, we are two girls at our nanas and u just scared us...now iam going to have dreams about dudes in toilets nude, peeing...thx!

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  • mizeka

    I'm a guy and I do both. In public toilets I stand up most of the time because people seem to have difficulties in getting all the pee INSIDE the toilet.

    But at home I usually sit down. It's more comfortable and easier.

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  • whattodo-16

    I wish every guy would pee seating down. Its really annoying and discusting to find pee on the toilet seat.

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  • AbnormalI

    FYI this is probably not something alot of people know but,it's more healthy to sit anyways lol

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  • BezBoo

    It's apparently healthier for guys to sit, as it helps the bladder completely drain in that position (knees open, head bent over like you're reading a newspaper on the floor). This helps avoid infection and even cancer.
    So all you 'lazy' guys, now you've got a good excuse!

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  • aemp222

    I prefer sitting down and from time to time i. pee standing up. Mostly when im out of the house, public place....

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  • mandypandy92

    i dont care if my bf does i just hate when he pees all over the seat, or the floor. my bro pees all over the floor and leaves it and doesnt wash his hands :p sickkkk

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  • Gr8whitehype

    Yep it's normal I do if when I'm tired being lazy or when drunk only while at home tho

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  • FlowerOfHope

    Hmm, if guys are able to pee while sitting, then why do they pee standing anyway? Just wondering... =\

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  • winkletoes

    It's a good thing you do! The other day my bf really had to go, while I had to get ready. I was in shorts and even though his aim is good I felt it splash all over my legs! Eeewww GROSS!!! All males should sit if a uirnal isn't available. Please do it more often.

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  • SoonRa

    There is nothing wrong with sitting down to pee. Most of all it is more hygenic because you do not splash pee all over the place, that is nasty. Just think of all the little drops that fall on the floor after you have strafed the water ! Yuck ! Use urinals in public if you can avoid making those drops on the floor; who does that anyway ?

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  • fletcher94

    whos bisness is it tellin u how to pee

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  • guacadoggie

    I had no idea this many men actually sat to pee! So much faster and easier to go standing up (just whip it out and go). I've never had a problem with splashing; I just aim for the side of the toilet bowl where the water stops.

    And I clean the bathrooms at my house, and there isn't piss everywhere...

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  • ruralfrights

    It's awesome. I find it humorous that some people are so heated in these blogs over what I see as a trivial matter. So, don't give it another thought. Just leave your mark and trudge forward.

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  • omgalexalex

    i personaly am suprised at how many people do this, i never ever do that. i only do that if im pooping. but whatever, i guess its normal if so many said yes.

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  • kingherod2

    It beats standing up because you don't have to steady yourself and you don't have to aim. When you've had a few beers it can go anywhere. Also you can do other things at the same time, like read a book, comb your hair or have a shave ! Saves time in the morning when you're getting ready for work.

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  • LittleLover

    random 246, i am a female and i can pee standing up so suck on THAT! and it is normal to pee sitting down.

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  • kubananas

    pretty much, it's a laziness issue. i do it too.

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  • apostles03

    You are what the uber-cosmopolitan Germans refer to as a "sitzspritzer". Not a complimentary descriptive word, commonly used to describe a soft, lazy man. But there are a lot of those in the world, so who's to say its not normal?

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  • koolmoedee

    Its normal. At home i sit, elsewhere, i stand. Its a comfort thing i guess.

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  • deepthought33

    I didn't realize this was so normal. Pretty sure my husband has never done it though. Can't say I'd complain if he did...less mess to clean up. My main thing against standing up is how much noisier it is. If I were a guy I'd have the shyest bladder ever just because it sounds like a fricken waterfall from that height.
    I'm not going to force it but I may encourage this behavior when I start potty training my son.

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  • confusedgirl2010

    my partner does that all the time!

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  • deric

    I do it to keep from pissing on the floor. It is also another opportuntiy to read - so the sit-pee posture should be considered intellectual. Women also appreciate it since the seat is down so they don't fall in.

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  • goatsandsheeps

    Hm, let me ask my brother of he sits while peeing. But even you're a man, there's no law stating that sitting while peeing is a trespass against national law.

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  • bioshock

    usually in the night if i wake up.. but eiether day or night its normal i guess... who's to say whats normal? :)

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  • normalcydude

    Perfectly normal. Women love it, as you don't urinate on the toilet...

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  • It's completely normal. I do the same. The pee seems to come out easier when siitng down. When standing up at a urinal, for me at leasr it's just me standing there waiting for minutes until the pee comes out, and then giving up after a few drops. But sitting down works fine. So yes, it is normal, we're all different.

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  • Psychosocial

    when my bro and I were kids, we had to sit while peeing. It makes less mess for ma to clean. Now, I have 3 boys of my own,(2 from her previous marriage)- they were used to peeing standing up and got it everywhere. A few spankings, sharp words, and months later, they sit and pee, and the toilet area is MUCH cleaner and more sanitary. This is not a bad thing to enforce, plus the chicks dig it when the guy leaves the seat down.

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  • mollmill

    I LIKE TO PEE STANDING UP. (and i'm a girl)

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    • random_doll

      Erm.. I'm a girl, and on the point of girls peeing standing up.. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?! O_e

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      • puppy-ray

        LOL, just use ur muscles. Ur pussy muscles! if it could push a baby out then it can help you pee standing up! :P

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      • Ed.

        all u gota do is squat over the toilet if your a girl...but why would you want to stand if your a girl? just seems like a unnecessary effort...you'd hav to take ur pants off so u can get your legs around the toilet and hover over it? why would you?...buuuut...i never pee sitting (unless i need to poo) it seems like more of an effort than sitting because you dont need to pull your pants down to stand...but hey i still think its pretty normal dont worry bout it bro

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        • spidersylar

          erm girls don't need to squat. Find the little hole where the pee comes from and practice aiming at the toilet. My gf likes to pee standing up, especially when we go camping. :)

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  • It's comfortable, less effort, you don't have to lift the toilet seat, it's cleaner (providing you don't get a boner) and you can lay the brickwork without soiling yourself. Why wouldn't you if you're at home.

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  • A_SENSIBLE_GUY

    Good point it is definetly cleaner and i wont miss when im tired. Might have 2 start trying sitting down

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  • maxtor51

    i sit wheni pee at home due mainly to a disability in my back and hips. it relaxes me to where i can pee without pain of standing leaning over the comode. it is much cleaner also when there is no splatter all over the walls or floor. i never have any urine to clean off the walls or floor. as you can see, i am a single man and pride myself on keeping a clean house and bathroom.

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  • Renegade47

    other way around for me, i stand at home and sit at school...idk i just feel self conscious with random kids walking in and out of the bathroom when im trying to take a leak.

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  • t7796

    i piss anywhere that isn't a public place, if i have to go i have to go..

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  • enginelugger

    men only pee standing because it's a quicker than having to pull the pants down... but as time goes by, we're so used to peeing standing up, that we even pee standing while being nude, but it can be messy.. it's much cleaner if sitting, you almost can't miss... i sometimes sit after waking the middle of the night tired, too tired to stay standing.. almost fell asleep on the toilet a few times, lol

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  • sweetie365

    Most likely this is how your mom taught you to go. Nothing wrong about that!!!

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  • Voo

    Big Deal.....i sit...Hell i bet Obama sits now and then.lol

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  • Beckzy

    Enjoy it. If you can do it, do it. Why should you stand all the time?

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  • sarah11111

    im a girl i think its normal alot guys i know piss sitting down

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  • xxjenxx

    yeah that's normal. did you know that girls sit to piss too?

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  • hotmama50

    my husband sits to pee...i think it's normal

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  • jren87

    I actually came across a site where 67% of women said that their husbands do pee while sitting down and the others guessed no but were unsure...so yes it seems fairly normal. Here's the site:

    http://www.theskinnyscoop.com/question/q/2056?utm_campaign=theskinnyscoop&utm_medium=textlink&utm_source=isitnormal&utm_content=mensitandpee

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  • Rickyx

    I do.
    its cus im lazy

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  • StrangestEnigma

    I like peeing sitting down just cause I can usually shit at the same time. Its faster and feels pretty good.

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  • Thatfeeling

    Thank god..i just submitted a question like this...im not alone

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  • lucky27

    I sit down to pee in the morning when i get up. {providing i dont have a morning wood}!!

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  • Listen

    haha i do that too half the time, but that's because i'll probably need a shit after the piss

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  • of coarse it's normal! im like the most lazy person in the world so peeing aitting down is perfectly normal. esspecially in the mornings (hint hint)

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  • Rachelle_InHighHeels

    I myself, have NOT stood up to pee for eons... But then again, I'm a crossdresser / transvestite and sitting to pee is just being lady-like.
    What you do on your own time, and in your own privacy, is YOUR business...TYo thine ownself be true.. You have no oner but yourself to answer to in matters of your topic..
    Regards,
    Rachelle

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  • BrettyBoy

    Yes, it is normal. I sometimes do that when i'm taking a dump and peeing at the same time.

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  • asianboi

    i think youll find that there are 1.3billion muslims across the world. and most pee sitting down!

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  • EbonyMT

    My bf told me that when he was little he would do it too and when he gold older he couldn't or really didn't like to anymore because his dong was to big and it was totally awkward.

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  • DaftDave

    When I was five I dropped the toilet seat on...my self...while peeing. I refused to pee standing up for like four years. Now I love it. Especially when I'm in the shower with my wife and I can mark her!

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  • Random246

    girls have 2 sit down all the time, lol

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  • The-puppeT

    My penis is two big for me to sit down but I think it is normal

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  • TheTodd11

    I shit standing up,

    so who cares whether you sit or stand!!!!

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    • xxjenxx

      man, do you ever miss the bowl???

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  • hoplin

    I sit down to pee because I'm lazy, but recently I've been peeing standing up more often because it's faster.

    (I don't sit down unless I have to in PUblic restrooms though. )

    Yeah.

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  • NorisBboris

    About the dog comment: My dog Buster's old owners broke his arm and it healed that way (the vet said because it doesn't cause him pain and he uses it for balance its worth keeping). But because of this he MUST piss without lifting his leg and he pisses all over his tummy ALL THE TIME. So imagine how sucky it is to clean him everytime. BUT..its not his fault. So if dogs DIDN'T lift their legs they'd end up like my biroonis.

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  • InsomniacJak

    More normal then a chick Standing up to piss.

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  • Unknown93

    I asked my bf if he sit to pee somtimes.

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  • ILOVEMARCO

    I don't know why in the world you would pee sititng down if you were a guy. I am a girl and if I were a guy, I would take atvantage of my penis and stand while I pee.

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  • Ramius

    I think the answer lies in why a man chooses to sit down and pee... As far I can tell, there are two reasons, one acceptable and one reprehensible. It is acceptable for a man to sit down while peeing if it's his choice (e.g., to drunk, to lazy, catch up on reading, etc.). It is absolutely unnacceptable for a man to pee sitting down if his mother or his girlfriend require/trained him to.

    For those of you that were trained to sit by your mother, there's no hope for you. Good old mom didn't teach you how to pick up after yourself and she made you an inssufferable-pansy-with-mommy-issues. I'll also clearly say that it's completely unnacceptable for a man to piss all over everything and not clean up after himself.

    For those of you who's girlfriend make you sit... get rid of her or be her slave for the rest of your life.

    For those of you who choose to sit and pee. I don't agree, but at least you have my respect.

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  • imhere460

    My girlfriend drinks my pee, so I normally stand up. Sometimes it's hard on her knees, but it's the best way for her. Sometimes I get a blowjob right afterwards as a reward.

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  • NathanSharp

    Yes its very normal. I used to do it all the time as a little boy too, and I'd tuck my penis behind my legs to pretend I was a girl.lol

    Seriously, though, its not really abnormal.

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  • gaz3912

    It's the same old song, if both sexes put the toilet seat down to pee or to take a 'crap', the argument about males who can't 'pee' straight would disappear.

    Good manners cost zero.

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  • skippityscoobert

    I pee sitting down all the time, mainly cuz I'm a lazy bastard.

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  • Mrblackguy

    I do it all the time it's fine mate

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  • MRTICKLE

    For me sitting to pee has become normal. Firstly it is more comfortable. Secondly if I don't sit it will go all over the floor, toilet seat in fact everywhere. The reason for this is because when I was a baby I was circumcised and the doctor who did it kinda rushed it and unfortunately left me with a pee hole which is a bit bigger than I need. That was 40 years ago and in those days medicine was not as advanced as it is now. My pee sometimes it can even jet to the left or right thus wetting the walls. Sitting for me is the safest and cleanest and I still wash my hands. These men who pee and don't wash their hands are disgusting. Women also should wash even though they don't touch it to pee. I have been told I have hypospadias a small under developed penis and balls but they work.

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  • roik00

    I sit to pee to, unless I'm out then pee in a urinal, maybe I should mention I'm also locked in a cb6000 ,24/7. that I Iove the excitement of girlfriend having control of my penis, and being my key holder!

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  • Terrik1337

    The only time I stand up to pee is when I'm in a bathroom that is too gross to sit down, like Walmart or a gas station. Just so much more relaxing to sit down.

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  • PeacefulThinking

    Im a girl that enjoys peeing standing up.

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  • Runt

    Wow! I always sat, because the sound going Ian the bowl embarrassed me. I don't want to be heard going to the bathroom, as a boy i used a stall but stood. We went in groups and I was way too embaressed about my wasp Dick in school of predominantly blacks or Puerto scans, both had bigger than what I had at 14.
    Now older, and low pressure, week stream, I use urinal in public - mostly hoping for a glimpse of someone. But of someone already there... Again to stall. But will stand. At home, any reason to sit, I take advantage of.

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  • EvilUncleEarnie

    Nothing wrong with it. I started sitting down back when I lived alone. Standing tends to splash which means I had to clean the toilet and surrounding area a lot more. Sitting down means I only have to clean the bathroom less often.

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  • kariann789

    Not only is it normal, it's a great thing!! Trust me nothing sucks more than getting out of bed and running to the bathroom just to find out that your 35 year old husband has the aim of a 4 year old.

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  • fratom

    I piss sitting down especially if I am out in the open it is a great feeling to sit and piss and even poo if one has one in the open with the wind blowing as it will through my cracks at least while sitting my pissing is shielded from the win blowing it:

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  • StanBlake

    I do this too. I much prefer it to standing. If that makes me feminine then so be it.

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  • fratom

    I like nothing better than sit down out in the open spread my legs and have a relaxing releasing piss I am an old guy and I have liked this form of pissing since I was a child I love the fresh air and wind blowing against my circumcised beautifulness: I often wondered can women use male urinals if they were caught out no other option

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  • sloman

    I pee sitting down if I'm at someone else's house and the bathroom is near an area they'd hear me if I were standing up. So just doing it so it's quiet.

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  • PurpleElephant

    The real question is, is it normal for me to think it's sexy when guys pee sitting down.. because I do. LOL. But I really agree, I think guys should pee sitting down more because they always splash the seat and then we women have to clean it in order for us to sit down. It's really gross :/

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  • navyknicks3

    I agree, I have sat down to pee most of the time, and find it more rewarding and safer. It gives me time to finish. I have found pee and peeing a great turn on and it is followed by at times a wetting of my underwear which I find a great turn on.

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  • Roxxyfoxyyy

    Yes it is. When I met my boyfriend i thought he peed standing up like most guys. Than I found out he peed sitting down because he thinks its comfortable & standing up makes a mess. I think its normal!

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  • dannynuker

    i pee while doing a handstand. you got nothing to worry about.. just be careful and dont drop a duece cuz then the pee water will shoot up ur arse and it wont feel good

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  • wawat

    I usually do when I think I have to shit

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  • watcher2005

    I started peeing while sitting because of the noise. My parents had friends over one evening and I unleashed a torent in the toilet that was pretty noisy in the living room. After they pointed it out that night, I began sitting and still do 45 years later.

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  • EdgeFencer

    I pee standing up but I still clean up after myself.

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  • turlago

    I real don't understand the man that say they pee sitting down not because they pee sitting down but because of the reasons they give 1- it splatters when you stand.. How does it splatter i always pee standing up i put the toilet seat up and pee in the bowl not out the bowl how can you miss it. And if it's normal or not wel no if normal is defined as what most people do most men don't pee sitting down.

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  • Caffine

    Oh! The whole conversation is enough to get a PHD about urination.

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  • christophero1973

    You won't splash on your own pants while sitting!

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  • Ashiqul

    As far i know...peeing sitting down is good for our kidneys...i m a man nd i pee sitting....

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  • sissybrucie

    My wife says now that she caught me sucking our gay neighbors cock ,like a girl ,then I will sit and pee like a girl

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  • buddyroowho

    ahh...i ask this same question a few days ago. i sit and pee all the time at home...i figure it is more normal than most guys will admit. i frankly don't see a problem with it.

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  • Effector

    terrible. horrible. Ladies and Gentlemen you have all got it wrong. Especially the Ladies. It is now an undeniable fact that the flow of urine is Effective when contrasted at levels of significant Pressure difference. As such, even Females will find it healthy to stand and "leak". However, Modern culture paves the way, more to tradition than common sense. Common-sense doesn't survive at the rate at which "sentiment" diminishes "technique" by means of superiority. In other words, people don't care what is good for them. They only worry about what others think about how correct or wrong something is.
    In which case, we have to throw a bone to the Ladies. Sit they will. But Men, my Men, it's not healthy to sit and pee. 1. it purports a psychological inferiority meaning comfortat the expense of masculinity.
    2. the "pressure difference" or "potential difference" achieved during standing is null when sitting.
    3. people forget, time and again, that nature engineered the Human psyche and Human mind/nature to fit certain standards. As such my fellow Human beings, Men will be men and likewise with the Ladies. The endowment in men dictates the inconvenience they may cause if they were "not" careful. if they "were" though, they wouldn't make a mess. I pee standing and I don't believe a single drop of my fluids ever trespassed the contours of the bowl.
    sitting is a shameful excuse. standing is the way of the man. he can sit, but at the expense of his masculinity. taking a leak is one of the highlights of a man's activity that actually defines his gender. sitting blurs the boundaries between the significances.

    conclusion: for a man to take a leak sitting is a personal excuse for failing to recognize the importance of being patient and observing cleanliness.. it's just a fucking excuse comprende? just own up to this. don't justify you stupid fucked up transgender behaviour.

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  • sissymikee

    im a bi man and sit down on the toilet all the time and dont like standing up to pee

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  • lindy_leee999

    Of Course MEN Should stand up to Pee, that what their "danglers" (penises) are INTENDED for,
    So that back in the Stoneage
    (IE BEFORE Toilets were invented)
    The Man would be able to pee whilst standing and still be able to keep a lookout for predators such as Sabre Toothed Tigers & Mammoths & other wild animals and if any of those beast came around he could just Stop Peeing & run over to his female companion and his child(I won't call her his "wife" because no one had invented religion and/or Churches where he could have married her, anyway)
    Back in those days most men had a favourite tree to urinate against usually in a quiet place away from the main part of the village(s)...this became known as the Lava-TREE which is where we get the modern word Lavatry from.

    I LIKE men to urinate whilst standing.
    I LIKE to see a nice urine flow

    PS Is "Pee" so called because it comes out of a Penis ?

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  • wafflesown

    Eh, I posted early on accident. I'll just wrap it up by saying that, no, it's not too out of the ordinary to pee sitting down. (What I'm curious about is if it'll have any negative side effects as far as one's health goes down the line? I only wonder because I read an article about how using toilets for so many years could lead to like a blockage in your... intestines, rectum, or.. idk.. somewhere in all that tubing we've got, 'cause humans were meant to defecate at more of an angle. Like, squatting. Idk, that could be false. Anyway...)

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  • wafflesown

    As for whether or not it's normal, it all depends on you, who you're asking, and where you're from. In some families, cultures, or whatever, it might be accepted for guys to sit down while they urinate, but, in others, it's seen as a sign of femininity. While growing up, I was always taught to pee standing up, 'cause that's how the guys in my family do it, so I accepted that as normal, and considered squatting to be a girl's thing. But, now that I've grown up a bit, I don't really see a problem with it. Actually, I'd go as far as to say that it's the more efficient way to pee, as, like someone already stated, you're less likely to dribble, splash, or spray it anywhere (believe me, even if you're trying you're best to aim, it happens from time to tome). On top of that, it's a lot easier, more comfortable, etc. I know a lot of the more macho-driven guys are all like, "wow, only girls piss on the

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  • mclinking

    I shit standing up. I turn round 180° and try to aim for the middle of the bowl. Sometimes I forget to wear ma glasses and miss and a miss is a mess, mate!

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  • BrownRice

    Nigga you gay!

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  • JanetMarie

    It is normal to pee siting down, its also more hygienic to do so. stand causes splatter which ends up on pant legs and shoes, unsanitary for everyone.
    Its considered unmanly by a lot of men who aren't aware of the germs they carry with them.

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  • Retard73

    Its fucking gay.

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  • bluemeanies

    All the guys in my family do this. (They're tall, so there's more room to miss, okay?) And, seriously, our bathrooms are much nicer for it. I don't know why you'd have to stand to pee. It's not like you don't sit on toilets anyway to do more solid business. (Also, then there are no "default toilet seat position" wars.)

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  • JanetMarie

    Not only is it normal but is more sanitary. I don't see sitting as being only for women. In reality if you sit you will empty your bladder more than if you stood.

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  • UhhhOK

    My hubby does is all the time, (:

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  • ubiquitous_joe

    Who are these people that piss so vigorously it splashes water at them?

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  • kurupt-gotti

    haha yeah i do it every now and then, i don't do it all the time so it doesn't become normal for me and then i can also use it as a little toilet treat, like if you are really boozed up and can't hold on properly, also i wouldn't wanna make it normal because i live in a house with 2 other guy friends and the bathroom door is never closed and they would rip the shit out of me for pissing sitting down, but yeah i do it maybe once a week as a little treat

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  • fullhouse

    peeing while sitting also sprinkles urine..I am a guy and tried peeing both ways and i find peeing while standing to be more difficult than while sitting..the public urinals are much better way to pee..
    Anyway who cares ? Go the way you want..

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  • Kawaiikirin

    Im a girl and When I was like 7 I would pee standing up occasionally when I was at home.

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  • Flippyfloppy

    What is everyone talking about pee slashing them when they stand
    I've never been splashed while pissing in a toilet!

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  • chocolateluver

    It doesn't matter what you do... Standing to pee is fine, or sitting. I sit usually every time I need to pee, and only stand up when I'm in public restrooms. Because urinals is faster! Besides, standing up at home gets pee everywhere, soaks clothes, ect. I'd rather save a wash of clothes, and wiping walls and just sit down lol. Bathrooms have "doors" for a reason, it's a private place. Do what makes you feel comfortable. :)

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  • MeLikesLittleBoys169

    NOpe, not normal. You are just a pussay

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  • gncp

    make sure u always close the cubicle's door! :))

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  • anti-hero

    Only normal is you are dropping a deuce at the same time. On another note, I wish I had a urinal in my house.

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  • porkpie

    When i have to pee with a bone-on I find the best way to aim is to do a handstand over the loo. the hard part is trying to stop the drips going up my nose when i get to the end.

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  • porkpie

    I always sit down when I pee. For two reasons, At home I cant be blamed for pissing on the floor. and in public loos i dont like faggots trying to look at my cock. so yes its normal

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  • lovehate83

    I Sit when tired but stand normally

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  • IrishPotato

    POOPIE

    GHOST POOPIE: The kind where you feel the poopie come out, but
    there is no poopie in the toilet.

    CLEAN POOPIE: The kind where you poopie it out, see it in the
    toilet, but there is nothing on the paper.

    WET POOPIE: The kind where you wipe your butt 50 times and it
    still feels unwiped, so you have to put some toilet paper between your
    butt and your underwear so you don't ruin them with a stain.

    SECOND WAVE POOPIE: This happens when you're done poopie-ing and
    you've pulled your pants up to your knees, and you realize that you
    have to poopie some more.

    POP-A-VEIN-IN-YOUR-FOREHEAD-POOPIE: The kind where you strain so much
    to get it out, you practically have a stroke.

    LINCOLN LOG POOPIE: The kind of poopie that is so huge you're
    afraid to flush without first breaking it into little pieces
    with the toilet brush.

    GASSEY POOPIE: It's so noisy, everyone within earshot giggles.

    DRINKER POOPIE: The kind of poopie you have the morning after a
    night of drinking. It's most noticeable trait is the skid marks
    on the bottom of the toilet.

    CORN POOPIE: (Self-explanatory)

    GEE-I-WISH-I-COULD-POOPIE-POOPIE: The kind where you want to
    poopie, but all you do is set on the toilet and fart a few times.

    SPINAL TAP POOPIE: This is when it hurts so badly coming out you'd
    swear it was leaving you sideways.

    WET CHEEKS POOPIE: (The Power Dump). The kind that comes out of
    your butt so fast, your butt cheeks get splashed with water.

    LIQUID POOPIE: The kind where yellowish-brown liquid shoots out
    of your butt and splashes all over the toilet bowl.

    MEXICAN POOPIE: It smells so badly your nose burns.

    UPPER CLASS POOPIE: The kind of poopie that has no odor.

    THE SURPRISE POOPIE: You are not at the toilet because you think you
    are about to fart but...oops...a POOPIE!!!

    THE DANGLING POOPIE: This poopie refuses to drop into the toilet even
    though you know you are done poopie-ing it. You just pray that a shake
    or two will cut it loose.

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  • Anonny

    i use to get bitched at for peeing on the seat when i was little and for some reason didn't understand how to lift a seat o.O so i just decided to sit down one day and it worked great :) been doing it ever since.

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  • SASsniper14

    Ah yes, the lazy mans piss, it's a mixture of relaxation and relief

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  • Ney

    I always wish i am a guy who can stand up and pee and that I wouldn't care about using a lot of tissue to cover or clean bowel before I sit.

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  • Suedika

    a looong time ago i read an article or something about it. and it said that peeing ehile standing is not really good for man health

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  • Akilroth

    I never liked having to sit down and piss. In fact, I don't even like to use a toilet. I prefer to piss on a tree, insert my dominance... Yeah this is MY territory you bulldogs. I will piss on the tree. It is MY tree... Sorry I have some dominance issues...

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  • Javierinla

    The only time it's normal is when doing #2 as well. Otherwise there might be a predisposition to homosexuality, or at least bisexuality. I say that because my younger brother, who had that habit, just a few months ago confessed he swings both ways.. Doh!!!

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  • IMAGurl

    I'm glad I don't have that choice, ew standing and peeing, then coming out to socialize

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  • ZarsMonkey

    I started doing it after I replaced my toilet seat for one that goes down by it self.. It never gave me enough time.. Now I find it easier in the middle of the night or when I'm drunk...

    EXCEPT for the time I had a boner and when I sat my boner pointed at the gap between the toilet seat and the toilet.. I streamed straight out and soaked my undies.. I was laughing...

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  • Rachelle_InHighHeels

    I've sat down to pee for eons now... But then again, maybe it's because I'm a long time crossdresser, and t'is feminine to squat / sit and pee. Plus I don't have to associate with these macho male "things" when out and about..
    Rachelle In High Heels

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  • jwedal

    After a few beers i sit down,I live alone so i have to clean my own toilet.
    In the morning i sit down because of laziness.
    In early morning to late afternoon i'm at work,so i piss standing,I refuse to sit on a toilet covered in feces and urine.

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      Oh yeah when i get home from work I again sit down.For the same reasons of drinking.

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  • Gman60074

    Am a 60 year old Male and never heard or seen of men sitting down to pee. Not that I observe such things but have been in the military and never once did I witness a man sitting to pee. Recently noticed my roomie always leaves the seat down and never hear the familiar trickling sound. To me it is Feminine and would never consider doing. It is a submissive act and probabably performed mostly by homosexuals.

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    • tunt

      You couldn't be more wrong. The guys I know who pee sitting are straight and most do it because their wives/girlfriends want them to (though some do because their (single) mothers taught them to, poor guys). I'm a gay man and I love peeing into the bowl or urinal. I love dicks, my own especially, like the sight and love the sound of my urine hitting the water, love not waiting in long lines at events, and a bonus is sometimes a quick flash from the cute guy at the next urinal.

      I have peed sitting at home, usually when I was sick or wanted to read or text or talk on the phone. But I don't like having my dick touching the rim or bowl, which is happens sometimes, especially if it is very relaxed or a bit chubbed.

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    • chocolateluver

      You sound like a 60 year old loser to me. I'm a homosexual, and I know others who are too and not all of them sit down to piss. Get your facts straight jerk.

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  • I have to admit I never even considered sitting down to pee, and at one point I may have even joined some of the more judgmental commentators that it would seem somewhat gay to do something like that.

    But the logic behind it is really unapproachable, especially for someone who has to clean their own bathrooms. Peeing standing up almost always, no matter how careful you are and aim, leaves some kind of splash back either on the bowl, on you, or on the floor, perhaps all 3. Especially if you did it at 3 in the morning stumbling in half asleep.

    If I remember I am going to try this at home from now on. Just to see the difference in not having to clean anything up after every single time I have to pee.

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  • rico996

    first, to the people talking about peeing everywhere standing up. wtf? it isnt that difficult to aim into a toilet. second. male dogs DO NOT always lift a leg when doing their business. third.guys that talk about being gay or having a little dick because you choose to sit when you piss probably either has a little dick and/or has homosexual feelings they are trying to hide. however, i find it strange to do so in public restrooms.

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  • daddyd01

    I wish I could urinate sitting down! I cannot get my bladder to empty when I sit.
    IF I get any urine anywhere but in the toilet, I clean it myself. I don't rely on others to clean up after me. This is what I taught my son, and this is what I am teaching my grandsons. Clean up after yourself. Period!
    Also, has no one heard of AIMING?

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  • puppyloveskitty

    Sitting down while peeing is better for your prostate anyways.

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  • noitsnotnormal5

    my boyfriend does this all the time. it is not normal. i walk into the bathroom to see him sitting down and playing angry birds on his phone....i think it's fucking weird.

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  • Bobsbride

    It is normal if that is what you prefer. It definitely isn't abnormal. My father, shortly after he married my mom at the age of 19, made the decision to "sit down" when at home. He made this decision after he realized that when men stand up to pee, they end up splattering urine on the floor around the toilet. He decided that was not just unsanitary but rude to my mother who cleaned the floor.

    My husband sits down at home, and other people's homes, but stands up in public restrooms, and for the same reason as my dad: sanitation, cleanliness, and politeness toward other people's homes. I mean, one only has to look at a men's room to see how filthy the urinal areas are.

    Every man that has ever stood up to pee in my home has gotten the floor soiled, even if just a little bit. It's just not clean and unless you don't mind urine on your bathroom floor, then maybe it's no big deal.

    :)

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  • Galvani

    It's normal, I can't even aim >.< that sux.

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  • dexter8

    So weird to me that so many people are saying sitting is the easier, lazier thing to do. To me, it's easier to just unzip, pull it out, aim PROPERLY and pee. Any slight mess, you just give it a quick wipe. Am I the only one who thinks it's more difficult to pee sitting down in most toilets? Where you have to kinda tuck to point in to the bowl?

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  • Origen

    I am a guy and I sit when doing number 1. It's more hygienic and healthier for men. I really find it disgusting when I see urine on the toilet seat. I wish more guys would sit when pissing, the WCs would be more sanitary.

    I started sitting 1) because of hygiene and 2) because my urinal jet flow is rather spread out which makes it hard to aim.

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  • stacii1989

    id say normal, just a bit lazy (as the husband has just pointed out!!!)

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  • cat7222902

    lmao i guess it's alright for u...but i'm a man so i don't really have time to sit...huh never really thought about it....huh...

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  • RebelForces

    What follows is a description of one of the essential time and effort saving techniques a proper man has in his skillset.

    Men do not normally need to sit when urinating as it is generally more efficient/effective/manly to stand, since trousers etc need not be lowered and the task can be approached in the practical and competent manner with which a man deals with his day-to-day business.

    However, when a man is feeling lazy he may adopt another approach: sitting facing the wrong way around. Facing the bowl, seated on the front curve of the seat, legs either side and his tallywhacker hanging down into the bowl. In such a way a man may enjoy the 'Lazy Reverse-Seated Position' and relieve himself in a totally relaxed manner, safe in the knowledge that gravity is doing his aiming for him.

    This technique is best utilised when a man is tired from his daily trials & tribulations and/or the removal of his lower garments presents no challenge. Picture this: A man interrupted from his restful slumber by a full bladder stumbles to the gentleman's room in need of relief. Since, naturally, he is nude (as it is manly to sleep accordingly) he is conveniently situated to effortlessly adopt the Lazy Reverse-Seated Position and relieve himself in a lazy and comfortable fashion.

    Urination in this position offers excellent efficiency and much-needed comfort for tired men. Higher levels of comfort and satisfaction can be reached by leaning forward, resting one's head on one's arms on the cistern, shutting one's eyes and enjoying a snoozy wee.

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  • kuro_inzen

    i'm a dude. i pretty much have to because my body has decided since i was 5, that i am to purge ALL my bodily waste in a single visit.

    so yeah i always wind up taking a shit if i gotta piss or a piss if i gotta take a shit.

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  • perkynipps

    Shit down and be as comfartable as pissible shit sorry i meant to say sit down and be as comfortable as possible :)

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  • Arandomguy

    its not bad to go sitting down. its your crap, its your way

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  • SoCal

    is this a big issue?

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  • Scrat

    Yep it's normal, i never done it though !

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  • IXxDeadlyDealxXI

    mollmill that's awesome

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  • qwerty246

    I do it when im drunk or tired

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  • artyonemanparty

    I think it%%u2019s very normal - when I was younger I used to but my manhood is larger than usual and hits the water if I sat down or my penis rubs against the dang toilet which I hate.

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  • mochamocha

    OK, this has been a hilarious and very fact-ful thread so far. I think many people had good viewpoints. I for one prefer to stand while performing #1, but there have been times when sitting was preferred, like when I had to wake from such a deep sleep, I still wasn't quite sure I was awake, so I sat, also because I was not about to flick any light on, let alone try to balance myself while falling asleep in mid-drain.

    Also, the guys talking about the #1 and #2 simultaneously - I never knew that it was a common practice to do one task and then the other back to back. Now I have done #1 and then #2 in that specific order (separately) only because I didn't think #2 was quite ready on arrival to the toilet but then changed my mind as #1 was on post-shake.

    Did I lose everyone?

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  • O________O

    Hey, you are too lazy to stand up to use the stalls, that's normal haha.

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  • dirtysecrets

    ya thats tottaly normal i pee standing up but i know lots of guys who pee sitting down i dont know how i know that its actually kind of weird that i do but ya ur not weird

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  • gabrielvillamayor

    ....?

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  • nonoitisnot

    Gay

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  • gomezgirl

    Thats cool. I read an article that guys who pee sitting down are gay and just arnt admitting it to themslfs. But cool.

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    • Bobsbride

      Cite the article, biggoted moron, or zip you trap.

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  • please-dont-hate

    qwho pees sitting down (if ur a guy) if ur mom didnt no and she walks in.....ur a screwed man..........more like kid idk how old u r.......(and y does it matter ow u pee).....?

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  • normal19

    When male dogs piss they hike their legs. That's one example of nature showing the difference in male and female. I stand when I piss, unlike you I don't have some repressed fear of my mom, for pissing all over the seat. Urine although foul is sterile, plus just cause you piss sitting down doesn't mean your toilet is cleaner than mine. SO DEFINITELY GUYS WHO SIT WHILE THEY PISS IS LIKE THE FEMALE DOG THAT SQUATS WHEN SHE PISSES AND THAT'S THAT.

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    • gavinv

      The fact that male dogs hold their legs up to pee is to not get any urine on their bodies, and also to aim for certain spots for territory marking. If they were to sit and pee, they'll likely get urine all over their genitals or get it on their bodies. And if were not normal to say that sitting down to pee for men isn't normal, then does that mean when you poop, you stand to pee first then sit to poop later? Well, I think it's easy to do them both at the same time just by sitting.

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  • kornjerker

    your all weird but i love it and i know a kid that sits to pee, we all thank he is gay

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  • flowers-madness

    I would never date a guy who pisses sitting down.

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    • cat7222902

      I don't pee sitting down!!!!!!=) lmao

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  • NinjaDinoCrayon

    My cocks too big to sit down

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  • amiaphycho

    r u gay? cuz if your peeing like a girl i have some questions for you

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    • Bobsbride

      A man sitting down is not like peeing like a girl. The only reason women sit down is because they have to. Men are able to pee sitting or standing--wow, you all can do more than we can.

      Get over your ignorance. How one pees has nothing to do with sexual preference! Moron!

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  • funnyjoke22

    STUPID IDIOT< PEE LIKE A NORMAL DUDE

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    • Rawr1

      guys can piss how ever they want--hell if your lazy and u wanna sit then sit--no one should tell u how u should pee

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    • Mrbulldog30

      anyone that talks like that about a man sitting down to piss must have a small dick because you are all prick.I dont understand why you young guys are so affended about this. Dont you sit to shit and sometimes piss wile you are crapping? Oh you must be one of those guys that piss in the urinal in public before going to the potty to do #2 so no one thinks you are gay right? The things you young guys think make you look manly totaly insucure. Just wate till you get a little older and when your wife calls you in the bedroom and your manlyhood will not come to atention so easy and you have to try to please her with mr softy. You manly men will cry like a baby. By the way when you get a little older and you are married and you leave the seet up in the middle of the night and a little latter you hear a blood curdleing screem that will be your wife falling into the potty and I can tell you that you will never stand and pee in the midle of the night again you will sit like the rest of us or she will turn you into a woman trust me grasshoper.

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      • arjelio

        I like the guys who piss in the urinal and then go in the stall to take a dump. That way nothing is in the way of the sounds. That's good noise.

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    • whatcrap

      STUPID IDIOT. DEFINE 'NORMAL DUDE' WITHOUT RECOURSE TO CIRCULAR REASONING

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