Question to liberals
Why do liberals always want to force people to do stuff?
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my_life_my_way
Both the left and the right want to force people to do their stuff, that’s why I’m just a libertarian, you live your life and I’ll live mine
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LloydAsher
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1WeirdGuy
What does the right want to force you to do? The only thing I can think of is abortion.
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my_life_my_way
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SweetNLite
I've never met a Republican that wanted to force women to be housewives.
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1WeirdGuy
The difference is they aren't pushing for any laws to force you to be a housewife.
We believe you should have the freedom to work if you want.
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Tinybird
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EnglishLad
I'm pretty sure liberalism in the true sense is all about giving people the freedom to live how they see fit.
It's the exact opposite of forcing people to do things, which is communism.
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jodi1955
CONTROL most liberals i know are self centered and have a lack of self esteem, so they feel the need to control to boost their own self esteem
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PurpleHoneycomb
I believe you're asking more for why the far-left want that. Similar to the far-right, the far-left just happen to be the most vocal about what they want.
Politicians are prone to bending a knee to the vocal minority, even if it makes no logical sense.
Seriously, go look at Reddit now. Even Democrats are making fun of those people.
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Sanara
Not sure if I count as a liberal. But when you live in a society and impact many others around you, its kind of obvious you have to consider the impact your actions have on those around you as well. But that also should be balanced with personal freedom. Extremes in either direction is bad and damaging
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Normalmember
I'm in the middle, left to right. But I can agree with liberals about trying to find climate solutions. This is literally trying to save the world.
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1WeirdGuy
Whats interesting is every climatologist will tell you even if we stop polluting the climate will still continue to change. But they say we are speeding it up. Only problem is they obviously dont know how much we are speeding it up or they wouldnt be wrong over and over.
I can post clips from newspapers and websites from back in the 90s and early 2000s of scientists saying britain would be like siberia by 2012. The consensus from the science community was the ice caps would be melted by 2014. Polar bears extinct by 2016. Florida was supposed to be under water by now. They had me scared to death in school when they were teaching us this and it hasnt been so dramatic.
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LloydAsher
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LloydAsher
Climate solutions for the world or for america?
America is in fact one of the most eco friendly countries on the planet. That cannot be said for russia, china and india. Who produce the grand majority of the pollutants in the atmosphere and dump waste into bodies of water.
The point of climate change is that it effects all of us. If china and russia wont pull their own weight when it comes to being eco friendly why do we have to cripple our own output? To save 3% of total emissions? Wow that additional six months is totally worth throwing away the country that has made the most strides in going green.
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LloydAsher
Thinking the conservatives would just choose not to look up is not what the conservatives would do. The conservatives would acknowledge the meteor and then try to one up eachother in the response. The liberals would be debating what pronouns the meteor would have.
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Normalmember
People aren't looking up in real life. It's happening in more than one circumstance. That is what the movie is going for.
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LloydAsher
Did you know that there are like a dozen crisises going on right now? You cant keep track of them all. I'm not talking about even normal stuff like war.
We are running out of helium (20 year supply), cant make helium yet.
Theres a shortage of sand. Yes sand for concrete in the middle east. So naturally theres land grabbing and war over sand.
Our battery technology is too slow for modern power consumption requirements. Meaning instant energy will still require fossil fuels.
Antibiotics are losing effectiveness because of mutations. New antibiotics are extremely rare drug wise.
You have to be at least aware of a field existing before you can notice a crisis. That's why people arent looking up. To them it's the normal sky.
The more you know the more you worry about. Unless you just learn to accept life and continue chugging along. Not ignorance just acceptance.
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edgyqueerveganvampire
i know you're probably not looking for a serious answer, but just trolling to get either validation or angry responses.
but i'll give you one anyways since i'm bored, and stuck at work. and premitting that i don't necessarily identify as a liberal, rather a leftist. still.
from my experience it's simply a response to right wingers forcing their stuff onto people first. what we are trying to do is stopping that. i don't know what you're referring to exactly, so i'll guess either economics or identity politics.
regarding the former, the left (not liberals) is pushing for systems that may reduce the overwhelming power that mega corporations have over people's lives. consider that 50% of the world's money is in like 10 men's hands, so they pretty much decide what happens on earth. mainly by lobbying politicians (usually right wing, cause they enable their hegemony). and let's not even go into the climate crisis aspect. a handful of companies are causing unspeakable damage to the planet just to squeeze every last penny they can out of it.
about identity politics, it's about recognizing what qualities in people have been used as excuses to disenfranchise and abuse them in some way (like femininity and dark skin, for the obvious examples) and counteracting that to establish fairness and equality.
had it not been for leftists and liberals, we'd still live in a world where black people are enslaved, women can't vote or divorce, and jews, queer people and disabled people are gassed in concentration camps. and atheists burned at the stake, if we wanna look further back.
looking at present examples, the gender wage gap; abortion bans; gay people not being able to marry and adopt, and trans people not being able to legally transition in most places, as well as being frequently targeted in violent crimes; black people being more often violated by the police (the state's way of enforcing their monopoly on violence); the poor being denied healthcare... things like these come to mind. they should be critically and empathetically examined to create a better, more just society.Comment Hidden ( show )-
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1WeirdGuy
The funny part is in the USA the republicans are the ones that freed the slaves and did these things for liberty. The party switching is a myth. Just look at Joe Biden he was basically a dixie-democrat and he was a segregationist in the 70s. He said "I dont want my kids growing up in a racial jungle". Alot of the racist democrats from the 60s and 70s stayed democrats for decades afterwards. So I feel we are on the right side of history with those things.
I would never support any of those things you mentioned like burning atheists or the other awful things that happened in the past.
But as an example liberals say you shouldnt be allowed to own guns, shouldnt be allowed to say this or that, shouldnt be allowed to make too much money, shouldnt be allowed to have this or that flag, shouldnt be able to not wear a mask, should be forced to vaccinate, should be FORCED to pay for their schooling qnd healthcare through my taxes. All around the board they're forcing others to do things. Where as with conservatives we have values but other than abortion we dont force them on others.
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edgyqueerveganvampire
the fact that there are a lot of bigoted democrats doesn't mean that the party shift didn't happen. it just goes to demonstrate how the democratic party is still very much not leftist, rather capitalist/neoliberal. biden is neoliberal, so he'd always go where he smells money, even if it's towards social regression. i for one hope sanders may one day be the elected representative. now that's a real leftist.
anyways, you say being forced to wear a mask during a pandemic, and to pay taxes and not be allowed to become too rich (if only!) are negative things.
for whom, exactly?regarding covid, it killed millions of people throughout these 2 years. and it's clear at this point that masks and vaccines have been the biggest forms of protection from it. ...like, i don't get it, it's a no brainer to me to use them.
i get that it's not nice to be basically forced into them by laws, i do value freedom highly so i'm kinda "eh..." about that. but idk, when the danger is so big, and the sacrifice so miniscule...
like it's great to talk ideals and principles and all, but one shouldn't lose sight of reality either. some vague ideals are not always applicable to concrete, complex problems. sometimes you have to make compromises.regarding economics.
money is what we use to determine how many things you can do, so it's basically power (and therefore violence. all money is blood money).
and without regulation, power naturally tends to centralize. because you can't "vote with your dollar" if you don't have the dollar.
and so the megacorps become the new effective rulers of the world. having trampled even the state, and therefore leaving no space for democracy. the game is rigged."not allowing" people to have "too much money" just means "not forcing" working class people into poverty, and in a country without public healthcare, forcing the poor into physical and mental illness and lower life expectancy.
idk man. i just think no one person should be owning companies, villas and private jets, and hoarding billions in banks, as long as there are people sleeping in the streets, starving and freezing to death.
and with the rich getting richer and richer, and the poor getting poorer and poorer... something must be done to establish some fairness.Comment Hidden ( show )-
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Anonymous Post Author
Ill address your stance on vaccines first. The problem that I dont think progressives realise is every action has a reaction. When you go around making laws that the government can force you to get a vaccine I dont understand why you dont see the door that that is opening up. Thank god it was shot down in the supreme court but you have got to realise good people (if you want to call them that) will not always be in power. So you giving the people in power the ability to forcibly inject people with vaccines can lead to them injecting people with sterilization medications.
This was actually already done in Israel with Ethiopian immigrants. Look it up. They forced them to get vaccines and in them were sterilizing medicine. This is not a conspiracy theory by the way they even admitted to it. Mainstream media sources reported it.
Im not even gonna address the poverty part much ill just say google "countries with highest wages" USA is almost always top 3 on every list. Wages are actually very good in the US still even though they're dropping. Over 50% of the country has a household income of over $1000 a week. Even Amazon starts out at 18-21 an hour now which is pretty dang good compared to other countries. At my corporation I work at they pay us $40 an hour and I've tried to get homeless people jobs but they wont do it. They make every excuse. I dont think if they refuse to work they should be given money from my tax dollars. And you can not tax billionaires too much or they leave. The top 1% of the population pays 50% of the taxes. Its proven that they will leave if you tax them too much. This is why western europe doesnt even tax them much they tax the middle class more than double what they do in the US.
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edgyqueerveganvampire
yeah that's what i don't like about the vaccine mandates and stuff. but as i said every case is unique. and in this case... it's worth it.
regarding economics... there are a lot of poor and homeless people in america. not more than there are vacant houses, but still (*sad laugh*).
the average salaries are brought up by the filthy rich, most of whom are american. but the inequality is big.
so the system doesn't work as well as it should.
anyways, it's not that i don't believe your anectode about homeless people not wanting to work. but i'm sure many others do work or want to work.
but many poor and homeless people struggle with issues like depression, anxiety, ptsd and substance abuse, which can suck all the energy and motivation out of you. plus many jobs, especially those that don't require some big qualifications, require you to be clean, tidy and well dressed, which some people can't afford.
and frankly i'd even understand how someone wouldn't wanna work. why bust your ass for a society that never did anything for you?
i think even people like that should get their primary needs met. not like they weight much economically anyway.Comment Hidden ( show )
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LloydAsher
What's good for society must be good for the individual!
Liberals have lost the plot of what liberalism is.
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LloydAsher
Liberalism in it's original form is classical liberalism as in what is now considered a conservative stance.
To call the far left liberal is to make a mockery of what liberalism is. They do not deserve the label of liberal.
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Clunk42
Classical liberalism leads directly to modern liberalism. Liberalism as a whole has always been flawed; you simply do not see it.
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LloydAsher
In taken in the context of the last 200 years? Any ideology warps with time. Only those that take their ideology directly from the founders as they intended it can withstand the warpage of time.
I'm a libertarian with my own exemptions.
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Clunk42
I'm suggesting that it classical liberalism inevitably ends up becoming modern liberalism, no matter what is done differently. Liberalism always leads to the same outcome. In this way, classical liberalism is just an early form of modern liberalism, with the exact same problems.
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