Religion- the opium of the people

Religion is the opium of the People.
Opium makes you laugh.
Laughter is the best medicine.
Thus religion is the best thing a Person can possibly have.

Atheism is natural.
Theft and murder are natural.
Theft and murder are outlawed by society.
Thus, by the transitive property, Atheists must be hunted down and defeated.

With this Unbiased Logic in mind, I think it's clear what must be done.

But is that normal?

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  • Ono

    lol unbiased logic. You displayed neither.

    Opium is addictive and incredibly harmful.

    Love is natural.

    Therefor the opposite.

    Anyone can make simplistic and utterly meaningless arguments like this.

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    • nobleserpent

      That is a Lie.

      Seeing as how one of my parents was a Christian and the other Not, and having spent equal time around both, I have an Impartial Perspective on Atheism/Christianity and am qualified to form valid opinions on this issue.

      Man is selfish
      Love is selfless
      Hence man's nature is void of love; hence Love is not Natural.

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      • NeuroNeptunian

        Scientific research and analysis of empirical data as well as comparing results with collegues and ample knowledge of the scientific processes (in your case of claim, the sociological, athropological and cultural aspects of religion) is what would qualify you to make definite, logical claims concerning the power and effects of religion within human society.

        To claim that personal childhood experiences alone can qualify anyone to claim to be able to form valid opinions on such a subject is horribly illogical. And to claim that your opinion is valid and unbiased while stating that your opinion is the direct product of having two parents of opposing views is so horribly illogical that I don't even know why the hell I wasted my time entertaining this with an argument.

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        • Satchmo

          Anthropology and sociology are not science I can't stand it when people claim that it is. I don't care if someone has a phd in either this does not validate their opinion in any way. That's like saying someone is an authority on the exisistence of god, or human morality because he or she has a phd in philosophy nobleserpent is just as qualified as anyone with a worthless phd who does lame pseudoscientific research

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          • NeuroNeptunian

            I agree with you 100% but without basic knowledge of social "sciences", it is unreasonable to claim a valid interpretation of damn near anything related to human social behavior.

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        • lolol555

          This is one of the smartest things I've heard and while I have absolutely no idea what it says, I'm sure it was a damn good argument.

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          • NeuroNeptunian

            Hahahaha XD

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      • dalmationUntoyourSoul

        maybe you like one parent better than the other, that wouldn't be unbiased. and i don't think opium necessarily makes you laugh. that would be NO2 or marijuana or mushrooms maybe. religion is the mushroom of the people. it makes me laugh. therefore, it must grow on dead stuff and cow shit and bruise a purplish blue. you can press church onto a piece of paper and make a spore print to produce hundreds of more churches. this i just my unbiased logic here, don't get angry. slingin the hate all over. maybe you're blinded be anger.

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      • Samson

        If you really had "Unbiased logic" you would see that you cannot say that all christian's are the same after only observing on christian and one atheist. Cause most of us have different reasons for having faith. But it is your opinion and there is nothing wrong with expressing it. So whatever believe what you want to believe.

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  • Faceless

    This is the stupidest IQ test question ever. Go fuck yourself.

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    • immediately

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    • nobleserpent

      If you weren't so Upset right now, you'd see that I was right. But you can't.

      Because you're angered.

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      • JustDave

        Are you high?

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        • Sillygoose

          He obviously isn't...a man who is extremely stoned would probably have better common sense than the OP.

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  • MissClaire

    It is impossible to compare things that can be interpreted in so many ways.
    It is dangerous to try to make people agree to hate something that you hate.
    It is obvious that you are not an open minded and accepting person.

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    • nobleserpent

      Don't be so Open-Minded your brain might fall out.

      But my being close minded doesn't make me Narrow Minded!

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  • shade_ilmaendu

    All penguins are black and white.
    Lots of old movies are black and white.
    Therefore, lots of penguins are old movies. :D

    And thats why using the if A and B then C format doesnt always work.

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    • bigtoy

      Brilliant!

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  • suckonthis9

    All that you have "proven" with your so-called "unbiased logic", is that Human Nature is diverse.
    Both religion and atheism are abstract concepts. Neither are natural, but both are part of Human Nature. Therefore, we should also hunt down and defeat religion. Thus, what you have proven, is that we should perpetuate these things that are harmful to ourselves and to society.
    You score very low on becoming Enlightened.

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    • nobleserpent

      Hello there!

      So, if you were a Person where would you go first?

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      • suckonthis9

        I am a person!
        Where I would go first, is away from abstract thought, and back to reality, if I understand your question correctly.

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        • nobleserpent

          You're not a person; you're a MacBook Pro.

          And if you aren't, then prove it.

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          • suckonthis9

            I am a person.
            I do not own a MacBook Pro.
            I sometimes use information that I find on the internet and other sources, yes.
            If you would like absolute proof that I am a person, then follow these instructions:
            Quantum Computing
            Colour Modulated Duality in the Quark Realm
            They will provide a message verifying that I am a person. By the way, you will not find these instructions in any media except the one time that I had posted these on this website once previous to this.

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  • Way to completely butcher a famous madman's quote...

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  • GoraIntoDesiGals

    Opium is a drug
    Drugs kill
    Religion kills

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  • Lynxikat

    ...Wait. So are you saying that atheism is bad? Because... it's not.

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  • On the bright side, at least we got some discussion going before people started calling each other Trolls.

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    • I would agree...but I was censored. Deleted. I should take that as a compliment, since I obiously struck a nerve.

      Fire up another blunt...and delete this one too.

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  • myownopinions

    Origin

    This is probably the best-known quotation by Karl Marx, the German economist and Communist political philosopher. The origin German text, in Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right, 1843 is:

    Die Religion... ist das Opium des Volkes

    This has been translated variously as 'religion is the opiate of the masses', 'religion is the opium of the masses' and, in a version which German scholars prefer 'religion is the opium of the people'. The context the phrase appears is this:

    "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people."

    1) Seeing as this was written by Karl Marx, a single person, it is invariably biased.
    2) If not everyone believes that atheism, theft, and/or murder is natural, then your conclusion is once again biased.
    3) Your "logic" is wrong. The "logic" you are using is: if A is C and B is C, then A is B, which isn't always true. Ex: If a dog is a mammal and a cat is a mammal, then a dog is NOT a cat.

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  • Er I don't get it... huh?

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  • Megid

    You would make a great fisherman, Serpent.

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  • chocolatchaud

    what is this, a poem?

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  • You failed in making a connection between laughter and religion, or religion and anything else in your poorly formulated troll post. Attaining master troll status is not something that is acheived lightly, trolling is not an easy undertaking so becoming an expert, therefor, is also not easily done. Much work you have ahead of you my son. Much work.

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    • shade_ilmaendu

      Interestingly Ive seen other people taking his approach lately. :P Someone was telling me over on one of my posts that me getting tattoos was directly killing trees and they were using the same kind of weird, pseudo intellectual new agey kinda terminology as this guy. O.o

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    • NeuroNeptunian

      Novice troll.
      His arguments are so incredibly stupid that they are not even remotely funny to someone such as I, with a marked appreciation for the lulz and internet cynicism practiced by the troll race.

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      • nobleserpent

        You seem particularly upset by my Brain Storming on this issue.

        Perhaps I shouldn't be talking to you than.

        And what Trolling are you refering to exactly?

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        • NeuroNeptunian

          ^That

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  • Frosties

    The earth was made in six days.
    The holy trinity is a good thing with three parts.
    Three sixes is 666.
    So God is the devil.
    Oh no! Who knew? I'm thankful my flawless logic could prove it to the world.

    Of course, it sounds stupid when I prove things this way but vastly intelligent and convincing when you do the same thing.

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    • Captain_Kegstand

      If God is the devil, that means the Mayans had the right of it the whole time! Crap the apocalypse is happening this year! Good thing your flawless logic has allowed me to live my last year to the fullest! Thank you lolz

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    • nobleserpent

      That's a decent point, I'll give you that.

      But it's irrelevant.

      We're not here to discuss the strengths of your Logic, but the Strengths of mine and how strong my strengths really are.

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      • Satchmo

        I'm really starting to doubt the intelligence of the people on this site. The second argue is not even remotely sound by this rationale all things that are naturale are wrong and should be stopped. So eating, sleeping, shitting, and fucking are all evil and should be stopped. But no one has mentioned this obvious problem with this arguement the intelligent people on this site are few and far between.

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  • PumpkinKate

    You applied extremely biased opinions as variables to unbiased logic.

    So basically you've determined that your opinions are logical when compared to... your opinions. So yes, it's completely normal to believe what you believe in, and to think that your opinions are the correct ones to have. Faith in one's own beliefs is quite good.

    Perhaps it would be interesting to see if you could apply the same logic to a scenario where you took into account that not everyone has the same opinions?

    As a side-note:
    What happened to "Opium is an extremely harmful and addictive drug that wreaks havoc on the human body and mind, and ends up killing it (even quicker in cases of overdose)?"

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    • dalmationUntoyourSoul

      yeah, opium is great, huh? even pumpkin kate seems to think so.

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    • nobleserpent

      How do we know for sure that Opium taken in smaller doses isn't Harmful at all? Where's your Proof for that?

      Well anyway, I'll take my Personal Convictions before your Facts with no proof running behind it.

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      • NeuroNeptunian

        "How do we know for sure that Opium taken in smaller doses isn't Harmful at all? Where's your Proof for that?"

        Have you never heard of the potential for abuse of Opiate-based narcotics within the pharmaceutical industry?

        Google "Vicoden" and tell me that taking Opium in smaller doses isn't harmful at all. For a dose of an opiate to be completely safe, the doseage would have to be so small that it would not even register in the human body enough to have any sort of effect at all, least of all, the effects that you are describing.

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        • dalmationUntoyourSoul

          natural opium isn't nearly as dirty as that stuff the doctors hand out though. and they love to hand it out.

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        • nobleserpent

          Potential Abuse =/= Actual Abuse

          "It would have no effect at all"

          I don't believe you. The only way I'll believe you guys is if an Unbiased Drug User comes in here and tells me that what you've said is true. And he has to have proof that he was addicted.

          Documented research too.

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          • NeuroNeptunian

            Potential for abuse LEADS to actual abuse, hence why doctors are so hesitant to prescribe it as opiates are extremely addictive. I'm not a big ad hominem type, but you're arguing to me that I must provide you with a drug user and documented research to support that fact that Opiates are extremely addictive, even in their milder forms (such as low doseage Vicoden) when it is not only common sense but can be found through a simple Google search?

            You are more than capable of seeking your own documented research and there is plenty of it. Simply because you are completely ignorant of opiate-based substances (obviously, or you wouldn't be questioning the addictive properties and physiological effects of Opiates) does not mean that I must provide you with a druggie and documented research. It means that you are trying to shoot down a perfectly logical (and medically proven) argument by virtue of your sheer ignorance of psychoactive substances.

            The only way your argument could become any more illogical and ignorance-based is if you told me that I must find an Un-biased observer and documented research to prove that the Holocaust actually did happen. You seem to have a strange fascination for being "unbiased" when clearly, you're so biased by your own beliefs that you're unwilling to accept even the most basic physiological pharmaceutical knowledge.

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          • dalmationUntoyourSoul

            actually someone i knew says alcohol was more harmful and addictive to him that opium. he smoked opium all winter and into the spring one year but would take a few days or a week off when he started to build up a tolerance. on the other hand, alcohol almost destroyed him several times over. he got DTs from alcohol, never any withdraws from opium. not saying it's like that for everyone though... see, i don't always disagree with you.

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      • PumpkinKate

        I was going to just say "Did you never watch a single episode of 'House'?" but Neuro put it a bit better.

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        • nobleserpent

          Lol did you really just cite a fictional tv show for why something is True? :)

          That's like me saying, "Guys there's no apocalypse coming in 2012.

          My i Pad's calendar goes to 2080. I think we're good"

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          • Satchmo

            Apocalypse in 2012 damn history channel I hope it's a selective apocalypse and it only kills the people that believe it's coming

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          • PumpkinKate

            No response to the hard facts of medical science?

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            • nobleserpent

              Isn't it amazing how I haven't once been rude or belittled anyone yet, I've been called so many Rude Names.

              Don't these guys ever get tired of trolling my Threads?

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          • PumpkinKate

            Okay, since apparently you're incapable of relating the depicted events in a television show to the facts they're based on, I will spell it out for you.

            (I should have known I would be required to, when you don't even know the harmful effects of opium)

            Heroin is metabolized to morphine and other metabolites which bind to opioid receptors in the brain. The short-term effects of heroin abuse appear soon after a single dose and disappear in a few hours. After an injection of heroin, the user reports feeling a surge of euphoria (the "rush") accompanied by a warm flushing of the skin, a dry mouth, and heavy extremities. Following this initial euphoria, the user experiences an alternately wakeful and drowsy state. Mental functioning becomes clouded due to the depression of the central nervous system. Other effects that heroin may have on users include respiratory depression, constricted ("pinpoint") pupils and nausea. Effects of heroin overdose may also include slow and shallow breathing, hypotension, muscle spasms, convulsions, coma, and possible death.

            Intravenous heroin use is complicated by other issues such as the sharing of contaminated needles, the spread of HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, and toxic reactions to heroin impurities. Other medical complications that may arise due to heroin use include collapsed veins, abscesses, spontaneous abortion, or endocarditis, an inflammation of the heart lining and valves. Heroin addiction can remove an otherwise healthy and contributing member from society.

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            • nobleserpent

              Don't give me that.

              You and I both know that these are Biased Facts with no Proof running behind them.

              2 + 2 = 4. Sure that's a Fact but where's the Proof?

              I see no proof Running behind your facts.

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  • Lola1984

    Im not quite understanding your question can you please be more clear? For example are you talking the purpose of religion or athesim? Or both of them?

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    • nobleserpent

      Fair enough. It's late where I am so I'm kinda tired; I should have been more Clear.

      My question is this- "Is it normal for me to Brain-Storm over this data and come to this logical conclusion. And if so, you agree"

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  • Emma27

    Atheists tend to have more morals than the Christians, in fact Satanists have a better moral code too.

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