Reverse consent iin? did i do wrong to fuck her?

So I met a girl who wanted to be friends. We had met maybe 10 times for dates, kissing, and me playing with boobs at the farthest. No sex.

Then after she leaves one night she texts me and says "please promise to never ever have sex with me" and she went on a soliloquy about how she doesn't want to be desperate and feels she should save her body for a "real" relationship and is too worried she will lose self-control and want to fuck me. So she begged me to promise her I never would and she seemed really emotional and all that.

Basically I told her I wouldn't make the promise, in the nicest way I could say it. I explained why and after a few messages, she reluctantly agreed and then I quick changed the topic.

Anyways, a few weeks later, we fucked. Hard, good, and she gave clear consent. If she felt guilty after, I certainly didn't notice. The her from a few weeks ago wanted me to promise so badly I'd never fuck her but I got consent that night I did. Month or so later of some sex but jot a lot, and after she went on vacation, she ghosted me entirely. We never discussed it again and she never expressed any guilt to me.

So did I do a bad thing? What would you have done if a prospective sexual partner that you found very attractive had wanted you to promise this? Thoughts please!!!

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  • KholatKhult

    Yeah. You did a bad thing. Only from what little info you gave, I think you were wrong. You aren’t an awful person, but I think you could’ve handled it better.

    She may be dealing with differing ideals right now, or may even have some mental issues that she needs to sort out, and was hoping you would help be her rock to stabilize her.
    You didn’t.

    It’s like if your friend tells you to not let them drink too much. You go out, they have a good time, they want to keep drinking, you say “nah, you told me not to let you do that”

    She might know she has “moments of weakness” and was hoping you’d be a good enough man to help her achieve her goals. Again. You didn’t. She knows she can’t trust you now, that’s why she poofed.
    Boooooo.

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    • d0esnormalmatter

      Okay well fair enough. If I agreed with you that would be why. I'm still not convinced it was my fault though. I COULD have been nice and promised to her and kept it but I chose not to.

      Chosing not to be nice isn't the same as doing a horrible thing.

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      • DIO

        I KNEW YOU WERE A RAPIST !!!

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        • d0esnormalmatter

          Ahhh DIO glad you have found your way to my post.

          And thanks for making such a logical comment based on evidence! Very helpful!

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          • DIO

            Well, what can I say. I love teasing you and you clearly gave me ammunitions with this post.

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            • d0esnormalmatter

              "Teasing" me with unfounded rape accusations does not amuse me. I tease all the time as well but not about shit like this. Rape truly can fuck people in the head.

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      • raisinbran

        I don't think it's your fault, especially since you explicitly told her you couldn't make that promise. She could have stopped seeing you at that point.

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        • d0esnormalmatter

          Yeah I think she had really been enjoying the attention I was giving her so she didn't leave. But like you said, if she wanted it that bad she would have left me.

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  • JellyBeanBandit

    Did you even ask her if she was absolutely sure she wanted to have sex, and remind her that she didn't want to have sex before? Or try to talk to her about it to convince her that there's nothing wrong with sex?

    One interpretation of this scenario is that you were just hoping she'd give in to temptation for long enough to have sex with you, and then if she deeply regrets it afterwards then too bad. You got what you wanted, who cares about her feelings. I don't think you are that horrible though or you wouldn't even be asking this question. But you did decide to risk her regretting it for your own pleasure, which means you were a little selfish. Maybe you thought it'd be a pretty safe risk, and that she'd also be happier herself after it, so it wasn't really that bad at all. But even so, in principle it wasn't the most righteous thing you could've done.

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    • d0esnormalmatter

      I agree mate great comment.

      I did make double sure but I did not remind her that she wanted me to promise her earlier. So we were cuddling and she asked what I wanted to do and I said I wanted to fuck and she said yes. Then I said "ready?" Right before I stuck er in and she nodded so I went right ahead.

      She didn't seem nervous or anything during sex or afterwards. Like nothing seemed different about her behavior than I would have expected. So to me, and I could totally be wrong, she seemed to have forgotten she ever asked me that.

      But yeah, as I have said elsewhere on this post, I didn't do the BEST thing I could have done.

      Now my question is, based on your response, what do you think you would do if something similar happened to you?

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      • JellyBeanBandit

        Thanks. Ok cool, that doesn't seem too bad then I suppose. And I guess she's the one who ultimately has to take the responsibility for her actions.

        Well I tend to get extremely guilty and paranoid and overly critical of myself over the smallest things, so I couldn't have sex with her after she told me that. I'd be imagining the absolute worst, that she'd be completely distraught over it and would hate me, even though that would be completely paranoid to think that. It sounds like she didn't really care afterward, or if she did then only a little.

        I probably would've just broken it off with her soon after she asked me to promise her that. I'd only be torturing myself hanging out with her and kissing with her and stuff if I knew sex was completely off the table.

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        • d0esnormalmatter

          Yeah I was half-considering a dump when she said that too but she was just too attractive for me to do that. Literally so fucking hot.

          I feel bad blaming her though. And the more I discuss this with people the more bad I'm feeling about what I did. It's like I didn't break any rules but still was a duck to somebody. I highly doubt this will happen to me again though.

          I know what it is like man all your mind getting in your own way. I felt that way so much growing up doing shit my parents would despise me for doing.

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          • JellyBeanBandit

            Well the fact that this is on your conscience and that you wouldn't do it again means that you're an alright guy. You sound like a decent guy to me, everyone makes mistakes. It's not like you're not one of those assholes who'd be laughing about it. So try not to beat yourself up about it.

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            • d0esnormalmatter

              I could see myself doing it again though. I hope this never happens to me because I don't think I'd have the willpower to promise to never fuck a hot girl that I knee already liked me.

              I'm not an "alright guy" by just people's standards and its something I have to live with. I'd rather deal with that than have to hide all the controversial aspects about me to seem more like an acceptable person.

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    • KholatKhult

      Good comment

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        Thanks, you wrote a really well thought out reply too, I just read it now.

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  • Nikclaire

    Sounds like a ridiculous fantasy of how you were irresistible to the girl who wanted to save herself, but just couldn't contain herself and had to have you.

    The more likely scenario is you were making out, feeling her up, she resisted a little but you pushed and pushed her till she gave in. She didn't outright object, but feels like shit now, and is ghosting you because she feels borderline date raped.

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    • d0esnormalmatter

      A fantasy where she ghosts me after sex 3 times? Hmmm. She was a complete whore before she met me. I got the same everyone else she had dated got.

      We were cuddling naked and she asked what I wanted to do. I said "fuck you" and she said "yes" rather enthusiastically. Completely sober and not coerced.

      I'd prefer you actually answer the question instead of just saying you don't believe me and think I just raped her. That doesn't do either of us any good.

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      • Nikclaire

        "Did I do a bad thing?" YES.

        "She was a complete whore before she met me. I got the same everyone else she had dated got."

        Yeah you're a fucking pig. You didnt give a shit about her, even when she asked you to treat her diff you treated her like a hole to fuck.

        I never said you raped her, but you are a piece of shit for doing what you did and you know it. Otherwise you wouldn't ask the question.

        Glad she ghosted you and I hope she figures shit out. Her ghosting you tells you all you need to know.

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        • d0esnormalmatter

          So if she ghosted me, that means I was wrong. Hmmm. Not how casual sex works boss. I don't think I was her type.

          Other than that I just don't agree with what your saying. I got consent and that's what's most important. I could have been nicer but I wasn't. If that's makes me a "fucking pig" tobyou than that's a title I will accept.

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  • blinkeredharlot

    Why do you even ask questions dnm? Youre just gonna get roidy at anyone who doesnt say what you want to hear.

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    • d0esnormalmatter

      Because I haven't 100% made up my mind on if it was a dick move or not.

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    • KholatKhult

      He won’t roid out on me, I’m too pretty

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      • d0esnormalmatter

        Raaaaaaaaaaar fuck you ya fuckin scumbag mouth-breathing hoooligan!!!!

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      • blinkeredharlot

        Lol

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      How you know its him?

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      • blinkeredharlot

        1 isnt it obvious 2 its rapey af and 3 https://www.isitnormal.com/post/is-it-normal-i-want-a-girlfriend-who-will-let-me-have-sex-with-her-while-she-sleeps--291672/comment/2953106

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        • Defikatie

          Yeah this person sounds really rapey. We can only hope his dick falls off.

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          • d0esnormalmatter

            "Sounding really rapey" is not a criminal charge.

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        • d0esnormalmatter

          Oh I know you read all my comments. My secret admirer!

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          • leggs91200

            I am not judging if you are wrong or right, it is not my place.

            What I want to know is - what happens one of these days when some whore you fuck gets pregnant or you get an STD?

            Sooner or later your dick is going to get you in serious trouble.

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            • d0esnormalmatter

              Wrong! Judge me please. You judge me in the comments when I don't want to know what people think of my decisions, but now is the time to say what you think! Was I wrong or no, if so, how wrong?

              I always use condoms and pull out. Haven't nutted inside even with a condom on in a long ass time. Haven't gone in raw since the first girl I ever fucked. I'm paranoid about this shit I really am. I know their is still risk but I really do try to be safe.

              Also, a lot of times I'll suggest we do kinky shit instead of vaginal. Taking turns tying eachother up and giving oral sex is SIGNIFICANTLY better than regular vaginal imo.

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  • DIO

    Why would one search her own name? You're not only obsessed with me but also a narcissist?

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  • Inkmaster

    You ask if what you did was wrong, almost everyone here is telling you that it was wrong, and you still try to defend your actions? I'm sorry what? You literally asked people to judge you, yet you're getting mad at people for judging you. How does that make any sense?

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    • blinkeredharlot

      He does that and then criticizes other users for doing it lol

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      • d0esnormalmatter

        Ahhh trying to form allies

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        • blinkeredharlot

          Whatever you say chief sherlock

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          • d0esnormalmatter

            Your forgot mate and hooligan. Only the latter of which describes you.

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            • blinkeredharlot

              Lol whatever ya say 'bafoon.' You should probably look up that word btw you clearly dont know what a hooligan is

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    • d0esnormalmatter

      Are you reading the same comment section I'm reading? There is quite a few people who do not think what I did was bad.

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      • FromTheSouthWeirdMan

        Yo join my discord server

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        • d0esnormalmatter

          Convince me. I don't have as much free time this semester :(

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          • FromTheSouthWeirdMan

            Oh btw have you ever tried a drug called gabapentin? I had some laying around and I swear this shit is better than any preworkout. As soon as I take this shit my muscles get really loose and I feel like I have more energy. I bet this would be great for bodybuilding.

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            • d0esnormalmatter

              Never heard of it! Will take a peek though I think supplement science is very interesting. Do you know any other details about it? Like what was the original medical purpose?

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          • FromTheSouthWeirdMan

            Do you have discord

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            • d0esnormalmatter

              No

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      • Inkmaster

        Which is why I said *almost* everyone.

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        • d0esnormalmatter

          I think its about 50/50 actually lol

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          • Inkmaster

            The point is that you're trying to defend yourself and getting mad at people for judging you when you literally asked for them to judge you. Don't get mad at people for telling you their opinion when you asked for their opinion. Don't get mad at people for telling you that you were wrong when you asked them to tell you if you were wrong.

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            • d0esnormalmatter

              Name one person on this thread that I got mad at just for sharing. I literally haven't.

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  • litelander8

    She simply changed her mind.

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    • d0esnormalmatter

      You don't think I should have honered her request? Even though I don't think I did something wrong, I stil could have been nicer and made that promise doncha think?

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      • litelander8

        Nope. If she has no self restraint, that’s not your fault. 🤷🏾‍♀️

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        • d0esnormalmatter

          Man! I expected you to rib me on this post lol. I still feel a liiiitle bit bad about what I did :(

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        • raisinbran

          Agree. The woman has character flaws.

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    Girls are weird with shit like this. They say one thing but mean another. Why she ghosting you? Maybe there is another guy on vacation, maybe you were a bad root or maybe she is on vacation so she wants to enjoy her vacation and not sit by her phone.

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    • d0esnormalmatter

      Almost certainly another guy considering how easy she is.

      I saw her in person a few days after she got back and tried to say hi and she went really out of her way to awkwardly ignore me.

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  • Boojum

    Many women are highly conflicted about sex. They grow up getting all sorts of messages - subtle and blatant - about how "good girls" don't have sex and "save" themselves for Mr Perfect who can give them a happy-ever-after. But the fact is that women are just as much sexual beings as men, and the vast majority of people are wired to want sex.

    It seems to me that whether or not you should feel guilty depends on what happened in the run-up to you two having sex. If she basically took the lead and pushed things in the direction of sex all the way, then you have nothing to feel bad about. If you took advantage of what she'd said earlier, set up the situation and nudged things along, then maybe you should feel at least a teensy bit ashamed. But you say she gave clear consent when the crunch moment came, so I don't think you should feel a huge amount of guilt.

    How she reacted afterwards is consistent with her earlier text. What she said then suggests that she's an emotionally immature person who has problems accepting responsibility for her own actions, and she tends to blame others for the things she does. In this case, I suspect she feels guilty about having sex for whatever reasons, and rather than owning that and dealing with it, she's deflected all the blame for her feelings on to you. If she truly didn't want to have sex with you and if she understood herself well enough to know that things just might go that way sooner or later, she should have decided not to spend time with you in situations where it could happen.

    KholatKult says this situation is like a friend telling you not to let them drink too much when you go out. People who have problems dealing with drink or drugs are responsible for their own actions, and it's illogical and immature to blame others if they succumb to temptation. If an alcoholic is going through a difficult phase in his life and he agrees to go to a bar with some hard-drinking friends, it's not their fault if he starts drinking; he's set himself up for the fall and he needs to take responsibility for that decision.

    This woman doesn't seem to understand what she really wants and needs. She may figure that out at some point, but for now, I think you're better off without her in your life.

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    • KholatKhult

      No you’re right in what you’re saying.

      You’re right that what is going on is involved with shame, emotional immaturity, insecurity, even weakness if you want to say that. In that sense, whatever happens is their fault. That doesn’t mean you should let them take the hit though.

      But those are the reasons why OP here could have taken on the role of being the stable one. Instead he profited off of another persons troubling experience. That’s where the issue lies.

      To bash her for her inability is completely normal and sane, but if we want to approach this with kindness and sympathy he should’ve known better to accommodate for her weakness.

      Some people need “special conditions” when interacting with them, and while it’s your right to say fuck that and leave them alone, I don’t think it’s fair to take advantage of it.

      It would’ve been the kind thing to do to follow out her “special condition” request, and I don’t think kindness is too much to ask for.

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      • d0esnormalmatter

        Am I wrong for saying no when the cashier asks if I want to round up the tab and donate to XYZ charity?

        Not being nice when you could have been, is a lot different than doing something wrong. I agree I would have been more nice if I honered her request.

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        • KholatKhult

          Well I mean I’d consider knowingly choosing /not to be kind/ to be the wrong choice lol it depends how much stock you put into manners and morals.

          Like how you don’t drink around friends who are getting over their alcoholism.
          It’s courtesy.

          Sure you won’t go to jail, but it says something about your character. You definitely are not what she needs in a man.

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          • d0esnormalmatter

            I mean props to you, for at least being intellectually consistent. If It happened again I would definitely consider it more but I feel like in the heat of the moment I'd probably do the same thing again. It is controversial and I 100% understand why someone would disagree so it's not like I think your a complete moron for disagreeing with me on this. It's a quite gray area.

            I'm not what anyone needs in a man. That's how casual sex works chief. And also that's why I'm single at the moment lol.

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            • KholatKhult

              Did you just try to insult my Brain™ and then follow it up by saying you don’t know how to use your head in emotional situations

              Bro I dunno what to tell you then, I’ve never had a girl ghost me or not want to bang me again. I’m trying to put myself in your shoes but I don’t know how to feel unwanted 🥴

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    • Nikclaire

      "Many women are highly conflicted about sex."

      No we aren't. God you are a misogynistic pig. Your verbosity might hide it from everyone else but I see right through you.

      We aren't conflicted about sex you neanderthal. We know exactly what we want.

      The only thing I agree on is she did the act and has to live with the consequences.

      It scares me to know you have a daughter.

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      • d0esnormalmatter

        Many men are highly conflicted about sex as well. Your literally talking to one! Saying a statement about women doesn't automatically mean it doesn't apply to men at all.

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        • Nikclaire

          I can only speak from my perspective as a female. It is blatantly obvious you are conflicted about sex. You seek out emotionally unstable women and give no thought to them other than if you can fuck them. It shows massive low self esteem on your part.

          You need to realize you are playing a dangerous game. One of these girls is going to go full on mental on you at some point. Hopefully she doesn't cry rape on your ass or worse, chop your dick off. You are without a doubt playing russian roulette with your future though.

          When I think of you I picture a Dateline date rape episode on college campuses.

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          • d0esnormalmatter

            Disagree. Very strongly. Liking to have a lot of sex does not equal low self esteem. Not remotely. If I had low self esteem I wouldn't have the confidence to date anybody.

            Yes its risky she could call rape. No, I don't think the risk makes it not worth it. But in every situation I have been in, the law is one my side. There is never I time I did anything illegal that I could get into legal trouble for. Zero.

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              I have tons of sex too (not lately but hey). It's not the sex that identifies the low self esteem. It's how you go about it.

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    • d0esnormalmatter

      So agree mate. You perfectly describe her to. Emotionally unstable as fuck.

      When I told her I wouldn't make the promise, I basically said she needed to learn how to trust her judgement in the moment more and not be so easily swayed by her emotions.

      I did take some initiative the first night we fucked but certainly not all of it. We took eachothers clothes off and were basically naked cuddling and then she asked me what I wanted to do and that's what I said. She enthusiastically said yes.

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  • DIO

    Stop following me. Am I obsessing you this much?

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  • TerriAngel

    Is what normal?
    That she asked you to promise?
    That you refused?
    That you fucked?
    OR
    That she ghosted you?

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      What I did in response to her.
      Not normal.
      Normal.
      Normal.
      Super extremely extra normal.

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      • TerriAngel

        Totally normal.
        No guilt.
        I've known to many 2 faced girls.
        Your'e an ignorant controlling twat if you ask a 20s guy to promise not to fuck you.
        while you go to 3rd base with him.
        She wants to save herself.
        bitch please.
        Least she could have done is suck you off.
        Playing mind games, and leaving blue balls is just a twat move.
        You should feel no guilt.
        Sorry for the crap youre taking over this post.
        Women can be angels.
        They can also be real
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  • bigbudchonga

    If you'd made the promise not to then I think you would have done something really bad, but you didn't make that promise. Perhaps you shouldn't have done what you did, but you got consent, man.

    If you were a super good guy then you wouldn't have stuck your dick in, but your word is still true. She needs to learn some self-restraint and willpower if it meant that much to her. Dude, this isn't a free guilt card, because you didn't have to be "the guy", to do it. But if she couldn't resist after it supposedly meant that much to her then you're either Romeo reborn or she quite clearly didn't have it in her to actually play out the fantasy she previously wanted.

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      Okay well to clarify, she had slept around quite a bit before me. I think her body count was like 15. She wanted to stop being a slut and prevent me from just being another tally mark basically. So when she acted like it was super important that I never have sex I had a hard time taking her seriosly. On our first mf date she had a big ass hickey loool. Actions speak louder than words, and her self-control was zeeeero.

      And what you said is exactly why I didn't make the promise. I knew if I had consent later I wouldn't be able to turn her down, shes totally my type! So if I made the promise I knew I would probably break it so I didn't.

      And I mean I agree with your conclusion. I could have been better, nicer, or whatever.

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        Assuming she is in her early 20's and has slept with 15 men?

        My question to you is - why would you even want to be with that? She isn't going to "stop being a slut" anymore than Donald Trump is going to stop being a belligerent asshole. People get into habits and habits don't just vanish.

        "She wanted to stop being a slut..." That just sounded funny :)

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          Ya she was 19 at the time. Year younger than me.

          The reason I would want to be with that is because shes fucking hot. If I avoided those with a high body count I would not get much in dating lol. Also I think it would be pretty hypocritical to avoid promiscuity in partners while doing it at the same time. Who would look for casual sex, with women who haven't had a lot of casual sex?

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      • bigbudchonga

        Ye, dude, she's gunna be banging dudes till kingdom come. You shouldn't really feel guilty about this. The girl clearly has no self-control.

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          Seen her on dates with two different guys already loooool.

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  • Mammal-lover

    You should of told her tommorow. Give her a week and if she still wants to then you'll fuvk her brains out. Mans it entirely her choucs with time to fully think it through

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      Did you read the whole post?

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      • Mammal-lover

        Yuppers. That would if been the right thing to do. You out of anyone should know how arousal affects you. Hell when I'm pumping with enough it I certainly dont care I've always just been around people who dong want to take advantage of me during these "weak" moments

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        • d0esnormalmatter

          Yes I know arousal gets to people and you do stuff you otherwise wouldn't. But I just think she should have stopped seeing me if she thought I was a bad temptation. She kept wanting to see me even though she knew ahead of time she would probably fall for me and eventually she did.

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          • Mammal-lover

            That's not how girls operate usually. She could just enjoy your company despite the fact that your interests are a risk. I'm in a similar situation. My coworker has a thing for me, hes pretty sexual like you. Well I'm simply not onto him that way. Hes attractive yes but I'm just not into him. He wants to hang and give me rides to work to lessen my uber burden during the winter but it's weird knowing his feelings.

            Sounds like you 2 had history though. Why you men gotta ruin things by being sexual? You shoulda respected her not wanting it man.

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              All we had was intimacy though. After like the first two dates we would cuddle at the very least and often jot even talk much. She called us friends but always wanted to cuddle and make out. The first time we kissed she went for it not me. Caught me complete surprise. It's not like I've been pushing this along myself.

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    Ps, I would have done what you did, I would have fucked her.

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      I think just about anyone would, even those who think what I did is wrong. It's a tough call.

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