Tell me if this is a bad way to hook up

I am atheist and I have a Christian friend at school who has a girl he thinks I'll like from his church. He thinks I'm Christian but I'm not. I plan on dating her anyways because she is SERIOUSLY SEXY!!! I think she is weak in her faith as well so the plan is to whittle her down from waiting until marriage to having it with me. Basically I want to change her mind about waiting till marriage because I think waiting until marriage is a really stupid idea. Not sure how to go about this because she thinks I'm a nice Christian guy when I'm actually an atheist who just wants sex right now. Should I not bother with the hook up or should I try to change her mind? Keep in mind MY OPINIONS are that waiting until marriage is dumb and christianity is wrong. This isn't a post to debate those opinions, just think as if you were me with my views.

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  • Lestat565

    As a fellow atheist I just want to say your a shitty person. A lie of omission is still a lie and trust me it will come back to kick you in your useless nuts. One lie makes every truth look like a lie. And if you have to ask the question. Is it wrong? It most likely is and you know it.

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    • Lestat565

      The lie is that you’re not a Christian and you know that she thinks you are so instead of being a decent person and telling her the truth. You want to manipulate her. Again a lie of omission is still a lie

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      • Doesnormalmatter

        I'm gonna tell her almost the second I get the chance.

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    • Seriouslythough

      What has atheism got to do with the post.

      A lie is lie and then you have to remember what lie you told to justify the lie before.

      "Der..."

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      Where is the lie? I plan on telling her right away lol. Maybe I need to revise the post.

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      • RoseIsabella

        Why don't you tell your friend who is setting you up instead? You're lying to him too, because you want him to set you up with her. You're not really interested in her as a person, you just want to sleep with her is all.

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          Yes I just wanna sleep with her. That's all I want. You realize that 90% of guys my age 'just wanna sleep' with people to. Casual sex is not immoral. In my opinion of course!

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          • RoseIsabella

            Why don't you ask her dad if it's immoral.

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              I don't agree with her dads morals. I think I'm right and I'm going to try to convince this girl that I'm right. She doesn't know what she's missing.

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      • Lestat565

        I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t see it that way. Maybe you need to revise your morals. Cause you have none

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          So I have no morals? That's what everyone says who I disagree with! Do you want me to list my morals out for you? Lying is one of them!

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          • RoseIsabella

            If you had morals you would come clean to your friend!

            Also, what are you going to say if you meet the girl's parents, and they ask you where you go to church, huh?

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              If the girls parents asked I would say I don't go to church. I'm not gonna lie for no reason like that. But I consider being asked by her parents unlikely. With my luck she will prolly give me the boot the second I say I'm atheist.

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              Alright fair enough. I should tell my friend EXCEPT I can't because he'll prolly tell my mom. My mom asks him how I'm doing all the time. If my mom found out I've been lying all this time I'm doomed. My parents are paying 14,000 a year towards my college right now and I'm broke asf. They have talked about paying less if I 'stay from the church' already. It's like my hands are tied!

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  • Boojum

    Count me as another atheist (for the little that matters in this context) who finds your plan dubious in moral terms.

    You're going into this flying a false flag. Since I'm a guy who believes the end often justifies the means, I wouldn't have problems with you allowing some Christian dweeb believe that you were also a Bible thumper if you were just looking for a quiet life or you had some magnificent pranking of a nastily self-righteous preacher in mind. But all this is about is you wanting to get into a girl's pants, so it's really not very noble.

    You're right that the no sex until marriage rule is damn stupid. She may well eventually realise that and come to regret not have a little more fun and experience before she gets hitched to some equally inept dude. But that's her problem, and you haven't been given the job of salesman by Pre-Marital Sex Is Great Inc.

    Having said all that, if you go ahead with this and get to know her better, you may find that she's just as interested as you, and her Christianity is just a façade she keeps up because of family or social pressure. As long as you head off for your first date with the assumption that nothing whatsoever will happen and you're honest with her about your lack of faith and how you let your mutual friend believe what he wanted about you, that seems fine to me. But don't be surprised if she reacts badly and sees it as you lying to him. You also shouldn't be surprised if your mutual friend is equally unimpressed.

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    • Seriouslythough

      Idiot. Christianity is no façade.

      Faith - George Michael.

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      I am not expecting to get laid, it's just that she is so hot that its worth a shot. She is probably a really weak Christian just like almost all Christians I have ever met. She may not have even really made up her mind on premarital sex anyways. And even if I don't tap that, if I can open her mind to premarital sex at large that's still a win. I feel really bad for people who want sex really bad and have tons of sexual feelings but never act on them because the guy in the sky says to wait until marriage. It's one of the most depressing things ever.

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      • RoseIsabella

        Your attitude towards this young lady is very selfish, opportunistic, and even predatory. I hope she's not interested in you!

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          Did you know that some women enjoy sex to? If she thinks she would like sex with me, she will have it with me. The decision is hers. But I am 100% confident I can make her happy in bed!

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  • ellnell

    You sound like a pretty shitty, self absorbed fuckboy. Lying to your friend too. I don't care about peoples beliefs but I respect them because I am a decent human being. You are planning on lying to and manipulating this poor girl. You should definietely tell her you're an atheist on your first date and maybe tell your friend??? Jeez.

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      Yes I will tell her right away.

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  • kpdor

    religion aside, you shouldnt be trying to whittle her down to get what you want. If she wants to wait until marriage you should respect that and move along and find someone else who will be happy to consent before either of you tie the knot.

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      What's so bad about just trying to change her mind though?

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      • Lovesex48

        Cause by doing that her brain says he doesn't care about me,he just wants to use me to get off,and that's NOT coop,so leave her alone

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          I want to give her pleasure tho! The idea of giving a virgin girl a shrieking and squirting orgasm. and then another, and another, is a feeling I can't resist! If I just wanted to get off I would fuck an ugly girl or just use porn hub.

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      • RoseIsabella

        You're planning on trying to change her mind for very selfish reasons.

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          Girls enjoy sex too! And even if she doesn't have sex with me, I still would consider it a success if I make her more open to premarital sex.

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          • Lovesex48

            That's mental rape,and you still can end up in jail. LEAVE HER ALONE!!!!

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              End up in jail? Is it a felony to explain why your not against premarital sex? I'm guilty! How do I turn myself in?

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          • RoseIsabella

            Ask her mother, and father if that would be a success. It's not your place to try to change other people's morals to suit your own tastes.

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              I think it's for her own good. Her mother and father, who I assume are religious, got it wrong.

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  • Lovesex48

    First off being an atheist is your choice. Second it's obvious to me that you don't respect yourself,otherwise you'd respect her wish to wait till marriage. Getting sex happens when it's supposed to. Your post tells me also that if you do d have sex with her,and you got her pregnant, you'd ether split,or try to get her to have an abortion,which is also against Christian beliefs. Ether just be friends with her or leave her alone. Whatever you do will come back around to you,rem

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      What about condom plus pull out method? I think I should be allowed to try and change her mind. If I can't I can't.

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      • Lovesex48

        Condoms don't keep a woman from getting pregnant, although it does reduce the chances of pregnancy. As far as pulling out before cumming,precumm happens first,then the big explosion. So even if you did pull out,your precumm would still be in her and she could still become pregnant. Like I said just be her friend,or if you can't do that unless you have sex with her,then just leave her alone. As I said earlier, whatever you do,will come back around to you,and not always in a good way

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          You can never be 100% for sure she won't get pregnant. But with a condom plus pulling out I am pretty confident. If I do get her pregnant then were fucked, but that's true with every girl I have ever had sex with. If that's your argument then that's pretty lame. I'll fuck her if she let's me!

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          • Lovesex48

            I would beat the hell out of you if I was her father. If you care at all leave her alone. If you want sex that bad go pay for it geez your a very selfish asshole

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              It's illegal to pay for sex. Also I'm not being selfish I want her to cum

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  • Wellyoudliketoknoweh

    The second I started reading this I knew who posted this haha
    I think just to get with her and take her virginity is something u shouldn’t do
    She could even get into some trouble with her family and u with your friend...
    One should decide on their own when and how they wanna live their life and not be urged to do something

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      Yeah its risky if her family or my friend finds out. But do you really think I should not be allowed to tell her how I view the world. I think she has the idea of premarital sex wrong so am I not allowed to try to change my mind? I live in the USA with free speech baby!

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      • Wellyoudliketoknoweh

        Not saying you aren’t allowed, just don’t try to force her to do it afterwards. For her it’s probably a big thing, she won’t be like oh alright now I think differently I’ll just go for it
        For you it’s probably not that much of a deal but I doubt she’s gonna sleep with u without u two even having a relationship
        I mean go for it, talk with her, but let her decide

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          Yeah man I'll try not to force her as always. It may be a low percentage situation for me, but if you saw her tits you would go for her to, even if the chance was small. Thanks for the input my dude!

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          • Lovesex48

            How big are her tits I wonder

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              Very! Not sure on the size I haven't even met her yet but I've seen picks and I can affirm that I'd tap that!!!

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      • RoseIsabella

        You should stay the Hell away from her, because you're only interested in her for your own selfish reasons!

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          It's possible for both people to enjoy sex. Your kinda assuming motives a bit don't you think? I have a fetish for making women orgasm! Women I have slept with in the past(except for one) have given me good reviews.

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          • RoseIsabella

            None of what you are saying here matters, because you are lying about who you are so you can try to convince some pretty virgin to let you have your way with her. You obviously don't respect this young lady, her beliefs, or family. You do don't even respect your friends.

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              How do you know my motives? It seems to me like your assuming the worst about me.

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  • RoseIsabella

    So you think lying to people is okay as long as you can get what you want, huh?

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      Where is the lie? I plan to tell her pretty quickly.

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      • Lovesex48

        LEAVE HER ALONE!!!!!

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      • RoseIsabella

        You're lying to your friend so he will set you up with this girl. So you're lying from the get go, lying right out of the gate.

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  • Clunk42

    That is terrible. You are lying to her and then trying to have sex with her, despite the lying?

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      Where is the lie? She thinks I'm Christian but I haven't ever told her that. On our first date I'll slowly spill the news. I don't ever plan on lying.

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      • RoseIsabella

        You're already lying to your friend.

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      • Lovesex48

        LEAVE HER ALONE!!!!!!!

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      • Clunk42

        Oh, ok. I read it as: you were going to continue the facade of a kind christian until she agreed to have sex with you. Just don't do anything stupid if she stops after the first date. (Do you even know which denomination she's from?)

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          Nope. No idea on denomination.

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          • Clunk42

            If she's Catholic, I can almost guarantee you won't succeed.

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              Almost? So your saying there's a chance. She is hat Asfuuuuccckkk

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  • Lovesex48

    Remember that

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  • message-man

    Really hard decisions you have to make i feel for ya but i cant really help more than i have. Sorry i hope you can resolve this tangle with your money, morals, and relationships still intact.

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      Yeah I know it's tough man thanks for sharing your thoughts on the situation and wishing me luck anyways.

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      • Lovesex48

        LEAVE HER ALONE!!!!!!!

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  • message-man

    Ok...

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  • message-man

    You should tell your friend you're atheist and tell him the problem with your parents he will understand and not till your parents case of the girl don't try to whittle it down she already sounds like she's not faithful by what you said a lot of girls are not faithful to religion just ask her for it if she says no just give up if she says yes enjoy it and worship her ass!

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      I don't know if my friend is the type of guy to just not tell my parents like that. If he finds out he finds out but I think it's to risky just to tell him.

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      • Lovesex48

        LEAVE HER ALONE!!!!!!!!

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      • message-man

        You should at least try anyway is he does Tell your parents I don't think your parents would be mean enough to just really actually cut your college money and if they do you may deserve it just a little bit tomorrow ain't your family and your friends

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          My parents have already talked about cutting the college find if I 'stray from the church' and right now they are paying $14,000 a year and I only have $7,000 saved up right now and not that good of a job. I would be totally fucked!

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          • Lovesex48

            LEAVE HER ALONE!!!!!!!!!

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          • message-man

            That is a dilemma what if you had not lied in first place??? Why did you lie in the first place anyway?

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              I didn't want to disappoint my family, my mother in particular. She's a real emotional person who loved me a lot and I didn't think she deserved it. I still don't regret not telling her although I'm not 100% confident it was the right choice. And also even if I would have told her back then my parents still would have paid me less for college.

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  • jasperoliver

    just respect her boundaries and beliefs wtf

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      I can respect them while trying to change her mind. I won't be rude about it.

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      • Lovesex48

        LEAVE HER ALONE!!!!!!!!!

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          After how many orgasms? I feel like I can get her at least 3 maybe more.

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  • raisinbran

    It's not real anyway, just a label and a thought. It's impossible to lie about. Your bodies are real. Facts are real.

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    • Lovesex48

      What part of leave her alone do you not comprehend

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      • Doesnormalmatter

        The part that says I have to listen to you! You have no authority over me and I'm meeting her tommorow so deal with it! I know your opinion and I disagree with it. Now stfu and I'll go try to get laid!

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      So good or bad?

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      • raisinbran

        Okay except for the part where you want to use her for sex.

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          So are you saying that casual sex is immoral? I don't just want to 'use' her I want to make her orgasm multiple times and squirt all over the place!

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          • raisinbran

            Make sure you do it in the church. It's not immoral if you get your genital juices all over the bench cushions and carpeting.

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              Lol no thanks I don't want to be that rude. But I still don't think casual sex is immoral. If you think it is, then we will disagree on this.

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  • Seriouslythough

    Leave your religious morals out of this.

    (Slams the door.)

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    • RoseIsabella

      ... or lack thereof.

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  • SmokeEverything

    I cant even read all the stuff on here but if you pull it off you lived a porn with a half assed plot so right on yo

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      What do you mean you can't read half of it? Was the post confusing?

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      • SmokeEverything

        Idk I was kinda fucked up when I read it the other day. Haven't been sleeping too great. The whole virginity til marriage thing is completely stupid but its not cool to take advantage of people. Like Im all into promiscuity but if youre like tricking some naieve church girl into sex with like some fake future marriage ploy that's not really very nice to do to somebody, like don't damage vulnerable people for a quick fuck.

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        • Doesnormalmatter

          I don't plan on taking it to her once I meet her. On the first date I'm telling her my position and why I believe that. There is no 'fake future marriage'

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          • SmokeEverything

            Oh yeah thats cool then.

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            • Doesnormalmatter

              Yeah I think I left too much out in the post because I was worried it would end up being so long people wouldn't want to read it. I would slowly spill everything to her. I'm not a Christian, I'm not looking for a long term relationship. I wanna make you and I happy in bed.

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