There is no god, or if there is he's an ass

I like the debates whether there is a god or not, I find them fun especially when the other person actually knows their facts about evolution and has thought about their own religion and decided what they really think is true, though quite a lot of people don't, and I don't believe the Roman and Greek mythology but I prefer it too Christianity and all the other religions, because they had a lot of imagination and what did we make up? a carpenter that can walk on water. Plus the mythology has an answer to every question you could think of, the religions nowadays say "This is like that because god wanted it to be like that"

I was born and raised a catholic, till I got out of my catholic school at least, I started questioning god straight after my first holy communion, ironic huh?, in the second grade. I don't know when my mum stopped believing in god but my granddad is a very big catholic and I have like 20 bibles all givin to me by him. I put them up in the attic so they would be closer to god :)He's making a book about how to be a better catholic, and I'm going to put it up there and never read the first page.

Most the people I know believe in god because they were raised as whatever religion they are and don't question it. I have no respect for anyone that doesn't question their religion and just blindly follows it, I have respect for those who question it and still completely believe it's the correct answer though. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that refuse to listen to the facts of evolution and only try to find the flaws and never look for flaws in their religion.

My friend believes god created the earth, put the first living organisms here, then let evolution run its course and let us live free without any more interference, she thought about it and thinks that is the best answer, though I think she might change her mind when she studies evolution in school, that turned my other friend, who couldn't understand why I don't believe in creationism, too he can't understand why other people believe in creationism.

I don't really like organized religions anyway, they tell you a load of shit that is based off of nothing and expect the entire world too believe that one religion is true.

Everyone has their own beliefs... personally I don't believe in GOD. I think it's a waste of time to spend the majority of my life "worshiping" in GOD. All of this good deed, bad deed, heaven & hell shit is crap & When you die, you die! & the whole thing about GOD make us.... PLEASE!!! I hate it when people say I wanna thank GOD, I here because of GOD, GOD is my saviour... blah, blah, blah! God doesn't make ur life what it is... "he" didn't sit down and say ok today I'm gonna allow these two people to concieve a child who's path will be this... you make ur life... you creat it.. not God! Anywho...

I'm actually a born-again Pastafarian. I figured after jail I'd stick to that since it made about as much sense and had about asmuch proof of its existence as any other religion. May the Flying Spaghetti Monster's noodly appendages touch you and his sauce rain down upon thee.

And what if it isn't all we've got? Evolution is a very logical answer to how we got here. We are just a big accident, that may not be as happy a thought than some god that created us but I think it's true, we are just one massive accident that just stuck around. Like having a kid with your gf cuz the condom had a hole in it.

I lost my faith in god years ago. A little bit after my first holy communion really. My granddad is a serious catholic and he just wrote a book about how to be a better catholic, 50$ says im gunna get that this christmas. But I really don't think there can be one, and if there is then I'm going straight too hell... Three guesses why lotsofjunk. And it's not just people in the past that are doing horrible things in the name of god its now too.

If there is then the first thing I'm going to say to him when he's judging me is why the fuck does he tortures billions of people.

There are also flaws in religions which people from that religion tend to overlook. heres an example
"God controls everything we do, and what we think" Then why do we torture and kill?

true dat

evolution is a logical answer to how we became what we are, etc. but it does not prove or dispute the existence of god.

I believe that there is a higher consciousness than us. but i don't believe it's holy. Its just a being, or beings, living in a different dimension of space and time. Kind of like the way you kill thousands of bacterium when you wipe your kitchen counter clean. You are god in that situation, but you dont think of it that way. you just do what you do. Thats how god is.

God is wiping the counter top we live on. and some other god is wiping the counter top he/she/it lives on. etc etc.

that's my view. what do you think?

I completely agree with this. And it's so fucking annoying that people suffer miserably but still worship god... For example.. If a woman is raped and brutally beat, shot, stabbed, but a doctor is able to save her and she says "I survived because god saved me" .... What?! If there was a god who cared about you would it put you in this situation?!

by the way, they don't change their theories. they only ADD to it, and it only ever proves their point more. you wanna see the big player in changing theories? look at your little religion.
the god of the old testament (dont complain ,it IS the work of "god"'s faithful followers) is supportive of the killing of one's kids, the ownership of women to men, and the killing of atheists and homosexuals (which is his own creation. did he make a mistake?)
so now, they made up a new god in the "new" testament, and got rid of those things. if you read the bible properly, you will see many more contradictions.
also, when they first invented god, they LITERALLY said that god was in the skies. so when man decided to look up, they changed it to ABOVE the skies. when we discovered space, they decided it to be INVISIBLE and UNTOUCHABLE. in this case, god has no mass or space. the only way for him to exist now is as a ENERGY. which means he can be found in a lump of coal. it means we can PHYSICALLY CONVERT god into fuel. thats a nice ending to it, huh?
so, sungirl, read all of what i wrote in that last few days, THEN try and argue. YOu tell ME who's changing the story. scientists ADD to the story, nothing is changed. they ADD more, because more proof is popping up, SUPPORTING the big bang theory. you theists CHANGE your story, because more proof pops up AGAINST god. so who's the one playing dirty, who are the idiots, and WHO are the ones that has NO PROOF?!
btw, you need to work on your english. you made some SERIOUS grammatrical mistakes.

from what im hearing, sungirl is only believing because of FEAR of burining in hell
in that case, would god really let you escape that, even thought yu are believing out of fear?
god, im assuming, is looking for TRUE believers, not ones that would say they believe, or even believe, out of pure fear. god would more likely respect the atheists for being honest and not be indoctrinated by fake faith. us, burn in hell? more like you cowards who believe out of pure fear
and, your entire argument is based on the assumtion and FALSEHOOD that god exists, and that he is still around to give a shit. just like the one i've talked to earlier, you are using god's name in vain by using it as a threat. would he really send you to heaven for saying that?

Goat I do not agree with that, thousands of murders, killings and a lot of violence has been carried out in gods name. How does knowing god lead to peace? It just leads too violence over the little things about each individual religion.

People like all the prophets were great people they preached peace and all that stuff and I agree with that, but I do not believe in god.

negative much???

Oh and it also pissed me off when people actually debate about if there is a god or not. It's basically an insult to my intelligence.

If I were to try to debate with somebody that, it would have be under the pretenses of "are we really doing this" "are like 5 years old and have the brain capacity of a caveman?"

my brain level must be like so much higher than other peoples, because to me it's like "duh, why would i believe in some person people make up and the only reason to believe is becasue some body said "theres some guy named god that has magic skillz and he did magic and make planets with his fingers", and i'm supposed to be like "YEA DUDE, he totally did do magic tricks with his fingers"

but while i thinks it's pretty obvious that it would kind of stupid to do that everybody else keeps doing it

the only thing i can figure is that my brain level is like over 9,000!!! and everybody elses is like at 17.

GET A BRAIN MORANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, poster. God is a fucking selfish dick.

I believe in God, yet I understand what you mean. This world is a horrible place. God chooses when and how people die. But I'm my beliefs, he has a reason for everything.

God doesn't Torture anyone. He gave us the ability to make r own decisions. How can u blame god that people in Africa with aids keep having children that have no chance of survival? Tell me how every exorcism ever performed is done with the bible and a cross. Have u ever tried to defeat a demon with a dr suess book and succeeded? My guess would be no.

Satan is not God's son he was the arch angel of worship and he wanted to be more powerful then God so God cast him down to earth.

I personally believe in god and science can't explain everything but it's my opinion don't have to call people stupid for there being a god no one really knows!

All this destruction is humanities fault. God lets it happen because adam and eve sinned. And this world will be a living hell until jesus comes back. Humans created destruction and hate, not god.

that's because the apocalypse is coming
and death,war,diseases,famine are the reasons for it (four hours men of apocalypse)
at least read bible ;)

I try to consider and respect other's views on religion and the existence of 'god', but often this leads me to finding that there are many flaws in religions, some are very biased, hypocritical, and/or non-sensical. I'm sorry but I do
not initially believe there is a god. If there is the God as in Ge of the Holy Bible, then he is a wrathful prick. 'Do not muder'?! Fair enough, but God drowned all those people and animals in the Red Sea. Yes, this was more or less with justice, but he still killed them, so he's just as bad. And why was oh-so perfect Man made the dominant species and allowed to kill the other animals? Why were there only two? A man and a woman? Why, was the human race called that of MAN with men always more powerful?!
Okay this is off-track a bit, but, if God wanted a good Earth... He did not create 'Man' in such a perfect image.

Look what has happened.

oh and btw, i don't debate on exactl HOW the universe was created. i only debate on how religion is complete bullshit and all of it can be disproven. tata ^^

God is a frying pan flying through space at light-speed.

My proof? The fact that you can't prove that it is wrong.

If God exists, he's a big Geek playing Sims with us 24/7. (24/6 according to the Bible)

I believe in ducks. It's called Duckism.
Ducks are cool.

Flikr you make it sound like your the only person in the world that doesn't believe in god, just by the title you can tell that I do not believe in him, if I thought he did exist then why would I call him an ass?, but a long time ago people started asking why we were here and the easiest answer to understand was some greater power waved his hands and went "let there be light" and there was light, and god said the light was good :) I know that was not the first religion btw, but it is a religion, and so a long time ago people thought a large variety of gods waved their hands and did some magic.

Religion is all just superstition, An irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome, and I am not superstitious and it seems some people I know make fun of superstitious people and then go to church and praise god.....

OH well I only believe in logical shit and I like some books about that stuff too, like Bill Bryson's book on a short hghistory of nearly everything, I find them interesting.

God is amazing. He is the reason your here now. You need to read the bible. That's why faith exists... Jesus is my saviour. He can move the mountains. <3

I do not think it is God who is the asshole, it is us, the human race. Yes, there are a lot of unfortunate things taking place around the world, but is it not our duty to help our brothers? If everyone would focus less on profit, and more on life and well-being, then maybe situations such as famine and disease could be helped. we CAN feed the hungry, and we CAN find cures for diseases, but companies and investors are more worried about the money that is put into these projects than the outcome. As for the murderers and rapists, they are animals, much like the primal creatures that roamed the earth before our race. God put us here for a reason, though most of us just don't know what it is.

I hate to say this, but I agree with you.

This world is a test for us and this world will end sooner or later ( Global warming , xtreme temperatures ect...)

So god sent us in this world to test our deeds , If we worship god and obey his commandments given in His Holy Books according to one's Religion

For christians = Bible

For Muslims = Holy Quran

For Hindus = Vedas

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we will receive the reward in the next life which is eternal & starts after this life ends (after death) !

We will go to heaven if our deeds are good and we will go to HELL if our deeds are bad !

All major Religions have many common things for example

1- There is only ONE TRUE GOD [Not Jesus(May God Be Pleased With Him) Jesus(May God Be Pleased With Him) was one of the messengers of GOD but he was not GOD]

2- We should not lie, drink alcohol,and lots of other bad things are prohibited in Christianity , Islam ,Hinduism & other major religions

there are so many more things i can describe with detail and context !

The World , materials , atmosphere , stars , SUN, solar system etc dosnt came into to existence on there own some one created all that so perfectly that know one can even imagine of creating .000001%% of that & that some one is GOD !

GOD is not comparable to anything in this universe !

The moment you compare GOD to anything it is not GOD!

For example you say My GOD is 1 million times stronger than the Strongest man on the earth then it is not god

GOD is uncreated and have no gender or image what so ever !

The Question Who Created GOD is illogical

its like asking a that does you friend John (male) gave birth to a boy or girl ?

God also does not make all of that stuff happen sin does, God just lets stuff happen sometimes and he has good reasons for it to. We may not know why but that`s the same reason you tell your children don`t talk to strangers or don`t touch the stove. Also sometimes things happen because God is not pushy he is just a silent reminder of what you should not do, you know that little voice in your head everyone calls their conscience that`s God people just choose not to listen. For those dealths caused by cancer or some other disease that doesn`t happen because some one did something, well everyone is going to die some day it may just have been their time and maybe some one had to learn something from their dealth or maybe something could not happen because their alive or just simply maybe they hade accomplished Gods purpose for them and he`s ready to end their misery of being on this plant and ready to bring them home.

God is real if you believe otherwise you're a fucking retard

Amen brother!

God is a complete Scumbag.

As a Christian I believe that God is real. Look you may not believe in Gods because you're an aethist but that doesn't mean you should think that he's an asshole because he really isn't and therefor you should never say that again. One day Jesus Christ will return to this world to fight off the Anti-Christ so he can save us all from the great evil and corruption that truely controls this world.. We Love You God and I pray for Peace Amen.

Wow

God is a total Douchebag. Case closed.

God always was and always will be a Super Asshole.

Well I'm a atheist and I don't believe in god, heaven, the devil, etc. honestly, believe whatever you want. But you know what I hate? When people call atheism a religion. Because it's not a religion. It's a lack of religion if anything.

As a person born into Religion I did read some of the stories and believed he was an ass. As a person of religion you must not reject god even if you disagree with the things he does.

u r a idiot, no affence but ur soo wronge, god punishes people because they might be bad, but if their not bad its a test for them in earth to see if they will still be grateful to their lord, ur in hell dude ur in HELL!!! save urself before u go their, wait u cant cause ur such cold blooded! plus, people in Africa who is starving still have some food to eat, he didn't leave them completely alone!

What i never understood is why does something have to be created. We humans are never going to learn the truth if we keep thinking in such a rigid way. Maybe the universe just IS and maybe it just goes through cycles. Maybe a greater being created us or maybe the big bang started it all. Maybe there never was a beginning and never an end.

Isn't it just as beautiful to belief that life itself excist because of millions and millions accidents. I think it may be even more intriguing than believing in a god who created us. millions of years of hard work, common ancesters who lived just to produce the unfinished work that is reading this text and making this thought right now. So if you ever question life don't ask "what is it all for?", ask "What was it all for?".

There is a God!! And he loves you very much...The reason people suffer is so that you'll know GOD is the one in charge of life, not you or any other person. It is to display how awesome and wonderful he is!

You are right in your assertion there is no god. There is no credible scientific or factually reliable evidence for the existence of a god, gods or the supernatural.

Believe whatever you want. I have always been a believer and have been rewarded many times during my life.

There is no god.
Evolution, bitches.

take it easy God isnt your friend nor your neighbour ill never say that but since you did then ask for forgivness

You have a misunderstanding of what God is. God is our creator. If you don't believe in God, then you have to have an active imagination as to how we have evolved to where we are. The meaning of life you say is to eat, sleep, shit and fuck. All that means is that you have no purpose. No purpose no life.

As far as Life goes, Life Is. It is not God that allows famine, it is man. It is not God that creates disease, it is that man can conquer it. But it is God who allows that man is good. When man continues down the road we are on, we will die, surely.

You are an idiot how can you say this ??? Sorry you just lost my patience :(

where are your morals man?

Listen,the title of this post made me clench and grit my teeth.And God does this because if everyone was nice,we'd be happy all the time.And if we were,it wouldn't be a happy mood,but a neutral one.Then,we wouldn't ever be truly happy.

Lol ok, fucking is not part of the lifecycle, that's optional.

I think god does hate us, otherwise life wouldn't be so hard & disappointing

I was brought up as a "Christian" in a protestant church , and as soon as I was old enough to realize the "fantastic nature " of the idea of a god and his capabilities , I started to question it . I questioned it in no different manner than when I first realistically thought about what Santa Clause supposedly does in one night!

I like the idea of a god who loves us all and watches over us and cares for us , I have a 7 year old daughter and I really wish that loving caring god truely existed with all my heart , every parent would love knowing we had that caring for our children. Unfortunately I just dont believe it to be true when I read about the murderer who after years of kidnapping ,sexually abusing and finally killing girls under 10 has finally been caught! . I dont buy the "God works in mysterious ways " shit either . I think gods and religions were really made up by people to feel better about the fucked up world we live in. I just dont believe there to be a god . Because if there is one you're right , he's truely an asshole.

I completely agree with you. And if there is a God, he clearly isn't benevolent (as stated in the bible).

the early form of the Illuminati created the original christian basis of the bible to stop all the wickedness from going on in the world, people murdering each other and stealing from each other, etc. Have you ever wondered why so much of the bible contradicts itself??

I really dont believe what I stated that much though...the result of a piffany.

On a side note, wouldnt it have sucked to have lived your entire life as a priest or a nun and died and found out you didnt go to heaven, just walked the earth as a ghost? You missed out on alcohol, weed, and pussy. good job.

Religion was created to explain the unknown. The native americans had a god for a lot of things including a god that raised the sun up and down everyday. Now that we have the technology we have today, why are we still religious? I think its been kept around because if we didnt have something tricking us into having some type of morals then we would live in a world with far more crime. As long as the majority of people believe in it then it can keep sane people like me a little bit safer.

With millions of different life forms, the Goddess and God, Mother and Father of all, cannot watch over us all the time.

God gave us free will. He did not choose to have us killing each other, and He did not chose to make others starve. We as people did. There is enough food etc to feed the world.

He gave us everything we need to live in unison and peace and we as people have chosen to do otherwise.

God doesn't allow or disallow anything to happen. What a foolish presumption.

Only pathetic losers blame god for the world's atrocities.

We were created with the ability to be good or bad, To be greedy or to share, to fight or be peaceful.

Unfortunately, greed and religious EXTREMISM has controlled our world with the majority of humankind.

ok shut up all of you i am 11 belive in god totally and worship him every day so shit yall and ur stupid thing that god doesnt exist HE DOES

Ha I'm number 250

No go it's all a fucking lie

I didn't mean to say coward. I meant to say i look forward.

I'm a Christian, but my belief in God is wavering. I'm majoring in astronomy, and I just can't see where god could fit into any of this. All that has been created has been done by explosive stars and such, not by the hand of God. We have proof of how all our existence was created, so why should we believe there is a God only to believe in Him for false hope.

God put us on earth pretty much as lab rats to see wht we wud do. Before he did this he asked his two sons Jesus and Satan how things shud b run Satan said "Let me b ur savior everyone will follow u" Jesus said " Let me b the savior everyone will have their own choice in what they believe" my point is violence is not done by god but done by the people of the earth. Now I'm not sayin o all peace give all ur money to green peace and chain ur self to a tree and love everything. No what I'm sayin is ppl are responsible for their actions not god. Now ur prob gonna come back and say well he let's us do it and yes tht takes us back to the beginning we choose and now on the other hand there is famine and disease and what not but without struggle there is no greatness we wud all b the exact same and then there wud really b no meaning to life if everything was given to us and we didn't have to do anything.

in regard to the question, many things are of course possible:
1. There is no God (or gods for that matter);
2. God is evil and wants the world to suffer;
3. God is neither evil nor great, he just doesn't like to get involved;
4. God is dead (sorry Nietsche, I'm borrowing your idea)!

soldierofGod, word to the wise: Catholics ARE Christians! Who the hell do you think they worship - the Buddah?!?! Jeez... I think you mean Protestant as opposed to Roman Catholic, maybe less time in church and more time in school!!

whoever wrote this you are awesome. and this idiot babykyy

i love you

i think if there is a god he's laughing at us, he's just enjoying the show we put on every day, murder, rape, suicide, stupidity, and then to make things more interesting he throws is a little earthquake, a tsunami, a tornado, a volcano eruption just so he doesn't get bored with our routine, sits back and watches us squirm, and laughs...like watching TV(we do that too).THAT IS IF THERE IS A GOD...

Here's my thinking. I believe in God, I'll stick to that. For the people who don't, find SOMETHING to believe in. It's good to believe in something.. or at least keep an open mind for religion. I think that the way this post was written is pretty offensive, however a good tactic to get people all worked up. It's actually kind of funny. People who believe there IS a God, why argue? You know what is true for you and if people have a different truth, so what? Freedom of speech. Anyways, I left my church this year due to brainwashing. I love God. Reason why, well if God created me, he created me to do his will. His will? Peace and love. My God put in me, (seriously) a HUGE heart for people. I love helping I love supporting. My job on this earth is to do those things.. How do I do it? I'm an activist for LGBT, (Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual,and Trans-gender) My best friend is a gay man who has taught me more about my spirituality than the church has. I'm also a feminist. Though I don't agree with church, I do agree with God. I'm not going to argue with the bible though. The bible to me, is subjective. It's been passed through TOO many hands, it's been tampered with and honestly, how can that be the REAL words of God? Nobody knows.I believe you are born gay, even though the bible says you choose. I believe in Pro-choice, even though the church says Pro-life. I would personally never get an abortion, but who am I to tell a woman she cannot? Freedom of choice, Freedom of religion, Freedom of speech. That's what I stand for. Thanks for reading :)

I agree with this 102%. if there was a god he wouldn't have let that man murder my grandpaw on Christmas morning

I think it's stupid to praise him.
He's just imaginary, like Santa or the Easter bunny.
How did two people just suddenly appear on earth?
And a talking snake and a bad apple? Haha, seriously?

u actually need ,i will pray for you ,church is only around the corner.
ps your going to a bad place......

god is merely humans own pride in there own image, he could just be someone long ago who can preform parlor tricks just to amaze ppl

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless" quote by Adolf Hitler

In the words of Great Helmsman Chairman Mao Zedong "religion is poison".

Religion keeps sexist,homophobic,reactionary and racist views that make it an enemy to progress and change.

Some imaginary deity doesn't decide our density we do.

In the wise words of our Dear Leader Kim Jong Il the Great Brilliant Commander "Mankind is the master of everything and decides everything".

The reactionary ways of religion must be destroyed

LONG LIVE THE IDEAS OF GREAT LEADER KIM IL SUNG
LONG LIVE THE IDEAS OF DEAR LEADER KIM JONG IL
LONG LIVE THE JUCHE IDEA

wow i hate it when ppl like follow the foolish act like they are so smart lol good comment i had a good laugh

hes never dne anything for me so AGREED

No "god", know peace. Know "god", no peace.

No "god, know peace. Know "god, no peace.

Why must you children argue over nothing? "God" this, "god" that. "Go climb Olympus." There is no right, only wrong. There is no truth, only lie. There is no "god", only fools. You are wrong. You are lies. You are the fools. You say so many things. And yet, you are wrong. Still, you continue to "debate" on whether if "god" is real. I know the truth. For I am right. I am truth. I am "god". You will know my wrath. You will know regret. You will know the truth. My master is right. Prepare for the end. We are the end. Live the remainder of your empty lives. You'll need the memories. . .

Goodbye, for now. . .

If anyone has seen Bill and Teds Most Excellent Adventure they know the one answer to all of this, its a quote by Socrates the wisest Man before all others.

I have been saying that for years though. I am refering to the story, I have not read the comments yet.

God and religion itself is all myth. Its just pathetic, selfish, and immature to believe in any form of a god.

Existence itself, is just an endless cycle of life and death.

I've never understood this philosophy, this "God doesn't make life perfect so he must be a dick.". I think this shows an incredibly narrow mindedness in your thinking. If God is real, then he gave us free will and that means God cannot go around making everything perfect in the world. If God is real, then you get what you deserve in the end. Life is a test. It is difficult and can be great, or it can suck. But if there is a God, you can be sure he is watching, and you are failing your test miserably.

so kill yourself then. the world has enough people like you, bitching about everything they have. be thankful to be alive. dont worry though, once you hit puberty youll look at things differently:)

Its called free angency of PEOPLE not god. I dont think its this way for crap and giggles. Everything is for a reason. And alot of diseases are from people doing things they shouldnt that created some illnesses(sexually transmitted disease) and some natural causes of weather and such. We came here to prove our love to god and to show him we are humble and respect him. So Yes their is a god you just dont have a relationship with him and thats all up to you do you think he can just appear? Their would be no point in Faith what would we be doing here if we all knew 100% that he does exist? why would we be here uh, no point to earth. Trails and things we go through are to make us and others grow stronger and smarter how can you know happiness? love? life? without pain? death? and negativity. And how your attitude towards life and things we dont understand(yet) has an impact also. We will always overcome sooner or later struggles, trails, and negative things but do you go about it with a bad attitude or a good attitude? which attitude do you think you will learn more from? Think about why you were here and what you should be doing and live in the right. I dont think its right you would bash on your creator who gave you life You were not entitled to be here on earth he created you so count your positive blessings and cut off the negative and certainly dont blame it on the last person you should. God loves you unconditionally no matter how many times you call him names or disrespect him. Its sad i hope you find what you are seeking and think about what you say to and about god because one day you will be staring your creator in the face and all those things you said and thought he knows you said. Have RESPECT for god who "gave" you the gift of life and remember he didnt have to. Positive is from god Negative from the devil. People choose what influence to follow. Each side influnces your free agency of choices. Pick a side only two sides black or white no fence sitting god or the devil.

There is no god, or if there is he's an ass

That's exactly how I've been thinking about religion my whole life

God fucking with us - that evil back stabbing bastard.

Of course there's no God. People believe in a God to feel safer. It's their security blanket.

dude no everyone can do something for them but do they? no im sure u havent emptyed ur bank to save them so i guess ur up ur ass to then?
and tbh u really think if something supernatural came to earth that we would all just b like oh hey our saviour no thegoverment would b more like nuking it so yeah in due time

"Meaning" is a value assigned by minds, and as far as I know, only humans and some other animals have minds.

Your life has whatever meaning is ascribed to it by you and those around you, no more, no less.

Do you wish to find more meaning in your life and those around you? Learn more about the Universe and how it works, learn how your actions affect the universe. Change your actions based on this new knowledge. This will enhance the meaning that you give to your own life, and to the lives of others.

Find out how other minds ascribe meaning to your actions. Revise your actions accordingly. This will allow you to enhance the meaning of your life in the minds of others.

There's no god. If anyone says otherwise, tell them to present god and if not, then politely tell them to shut the fuck up.

God designed all nature, put it in an intricately desgined system, placed it in space, and walked away. The rest is up to us.

But there, here you are having a PC and a internet connection to whine about it, so even if god is an ass, you are the lucky one that you aren't in his black list, well done mate

without god, the world would fall into chaos...

well you all need to understand something. When people say that they are doing things in the name of God it doesn't that they all have the same God. some might call the devil their "God" others might call God something made by a man such as a statue etc. So don't be blaming God for everything. If God lets things happen it's for a reason, maybe that way they will stop talking bad or sinning if they get bits of problems so they can turn to the real God the one who really brings peace, help, healing, security, and love. The ones who talk against the real God need find the real God not just some asshole who says to be God.

or he just takes a stance of none involvement.

God created us individually, with our own thoughts and abilities, He gave us a world we can live in, people can should meet, things can do and decisions that we can freely act upon.
All of us will live our lives differently, We may die young, we may suffer of poverty, be murdered, and any reason for that matter. But in the end, he will look on us and see how we lived our lives, there he will know if we are worthy to receive eternal life.

If the world were constantly in peace, wouldn't that mean that God was controlling us? God allowed us to have free will. He isn't the one who created STDs or famine or greed. Humanity created that. God is here for us to help us through the tough times. This is why bad things happen to good people. It's to test their faith. And if their faith withstands the evil and temptations then they'll be rewarded with a miraculous after life living with him in heaven. I don't know what has happened to you in life, but you can't blame God for these things. God gave us life, God gave us choice. He doesn't control things. So if your mom died of cancer, it's because Humans created cigarettes or if your dad went to jail, it's because it was his choice to make bad decisions. The good thing is, throughout all of the bad things that happen to you, God will be there and he'll look after to you.

well in the bible god gave the world to adam and eve, then we f***ed it up so he sent jesus and then when jesus died and went to heaven he gave the world back to human kind..... he gave us everything we need to live happy and have enough food, but us as humanswe just F*** it all up... not god fault, its ours but people once again like to blame things on other people

Albert Einstein answered the question about whether or not God is real and evil. I hope you can see the video.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/video/video.php?v=155315264765&ref=nf

Who are you to make such sweeping statements about the nature of human existence? If such base pursuits are all that amount to anything in your eyes, then so shall it be for you. Did it ever occur to you that the ways and means of a supreme entity might be beyond your/my comprehension? Why is there famine in the world today? Why was there was seven years of famine in Genesis? It takes humility to find faith. It takes nothing but genitals to reproduce, and a little whiskey to get drunk! :-P

That's some deep philosophy...

I completely agree with the original post. Either there is no god, or if there is, I have no reason to worship or love him. I lost my faith a few years ago when my mother suddenly passed away, not even 40 years old. I mean, if there is a god, why would he just take her like that? Doesn't sound very "godly" to me. I think it's all a load of crap

god doesn't make people kill,he doesnt make them wipe their ass with hundred dollar bills while so many others are starving their ass off....i am not a full out religous person but i do believe in god and i do believe this ........god puts us in though situations to test us unfortunately we have some how unconsciously rewired ourselves with greed, self achievement and individualism some would say that that is the foundation of Americas free market while others would argue that these are the fuck tards ceo's that made millions where as real hard working middle class Americans lost their jobs

God gave us freewill which is why you have the freedom to choose to not love Him. You should be thankful for that. He is a loving God and wants us to WANT to love Him. I pray that you will come to that place in your life. The fact that you are even thinking about it this much means you want to love Him. He will speak to you. I pray that your heart will be open to listening. When you hear you will be wanting to share it with everyone you see. I love you and hope to see you in heaven. :)

he dosnt want to change everybodys lives

What makes you think this is the only planet god created.

ok guys have you ever thought that maybe it is a mix of science and religion. maybe aliens visited us(yes i believe intelligent life forms other than humans could have visited the earth) and the only way the ancient people could have described them is as gods. but like the pyramids the stones were cut so perfectly that a piece of paper could not fit in between the stones. there is a lot of evidence for this but it is still only a theory like atheism or Christianity. We truly have no idea how earth was created and even if we do figure it out i dont think everyone will believe even with all the evidence presented. most people dont appreciate me calling their gods aliens either

dang, you got some serious feedback on this one!

most people blame the devil for the mess the world is in. i don't believe in the devil, but i don't blame god. i blame man.

god did not make us a bunch of robots. he pretty much sits back and lets us do our own thing, and face the consequences of our actions. why don't he step in and set things right? well, i don't know, but someday he might, and a lot of people won't like it if and when he does. maybe he is just waiting to see if we will ever work out our own stupid problems. who knows?

maybe he is too busy running the rest of the universe to worry about what is going on down here on this flyspeck of a planet. maybe it is up to us to work out our own differences and problems, instead of blaming him for everything, like he is some divine scapegoat. (that is what a lot of you use the devil for too. like blame anyone except yourself when you fuck up, right?)

I kind of agree, but what if there is really a god and we all go to hell?

who cares?

god created, people ruined it. the person above is right.

god didnt create those problems
people did,
and if that paragraph is really what you belive then
why waste your time with life

Agree.

You call the people in the churches fools, as if none of them have ever pondered your ideas about religion. Your line of reasoning really is quite basic... i.e., "the world is not perfect, therefore there is no God."

The world is not a simple place, in case you haven't noticed.

Why isn't it possible that God and Jesus are real, exactly as the Bible says they are? The Old Testament God isn't discreet about his anger or his vengeful behavior...he kills people outright! He never claims to be a universal benefactor! In the New Testament Jesus introduces unconditional love and forgiveness; it really is quite a paradox.

I decided to ditch the reasoning you outlined above and become a humble worshipper of Christ, and not because I want to be better than you or rest on my laurels or anything like that. I do so because the way this mysterious and awesome world we inhabit works is not as simple as a basic 'if/then' statement.

Well Santa is jsut about as believable as God, really, why do people think your retarded for believing in fairies and pixies and then tehy go to church to worship some guy that waved his hands and we all suddenly appeared from his magical hat.

Right. So there is no santa claus. I mean honestly, who can fly around the world in a night right? I mean, an invisible man that can hear everyone murmuring at the same time, THAT I can understand perfectly.

If your a douche post here so we can all call you a douche

If you want a flamewar post here and we can start one

if you dont care post here to say you dont care

If your atheist then post here to change the theists mind

If your religious post here and maybe you can change our minds. better have a good ass argument

come on, I cant lose to V

yo pringletot2
theres another dumbass that need our help.
http://isitnormal.com/story/5873/#new-comment-form
come along and enjoy the conversion =D

yes, i actually assumed that they would stop reading at the first paragraph. but the thing is, it actually makes the debate end much earlier. if you only give them a piece of the information, they will keep questioning your answers. if you add more after, they will add dogma, and say things like "your theory changed" or whatever. if i write it all in one go, they have nothing left to say. if they do, it means they did not read it, which goes to be my advantage, since they did not even read my arguement, making the entire debate pointless. so, its pretty much a win-win situation, especially if you've got your ground. in other debates, i read EVERYTHING they have to say, and prove every arguement they come up with to be full of fallacies. over the summer, i decided that this religion bullshit HAS to end. it is even slowing down the economy in a way. the earlier religion ends, the better. when religion ends, technology will develop much faster, because our curiosity will be back. or, if you take the survey done on the intellegence of theists, maybe not so much ;P

btw the apology was towards PooLTOY. i forgot to press reply XD

oooh man. i just reconized the name. you were the guy i decided to stage an act with for some fun and swore at =)
well, sorry. =)
xD it was fun thou....:P

@ WildChildTDC

"now, i have another to add. you say we SHOULDN'T interfere with their beliefs,because they never do the same to us? well, not only does the above prove taht wrong, theres also something else. the CRUSADES. they decided that anyone who didn't believe in god was evil and deserve to be punished, and murdered them all in inhuman ways. not only does this prove my point, but does this not go against their own religion?"

So going on this reasoning, children of murderers and rapists are just as guilty as their murdering parents? My granddad went to prison for theft. Should I be chucked in the slammer as well? Does this then make all parents guilty? Obviously not, so why then tar all the religious people with the same brush?

Personally I don%%u2019t really believe in god. But fuck me if I'll stand around and let ignorant posters like the above rap off their poorly-informed misconceptions without being challenged.

I'll say it once again: People should be free to follow whatever religion they choose. Places where this isn't allowed are usually fascist regimes.

I also notice with just a little bit of mirth how it's Christianity that gets ripped on. Why not mention the Jews fellas? Scared of being labeled a bigot?

pooltoy, i will not argue with that. that is not my intention. the god you are looking at, even though defies the laws of physics, is nowhere near as obsurd as a god that ANSWERS to prayers.
now, to the theists: if all the religious claims in the world are true, there would be over a thousand gods by now. that defies all of the religions i know of. why would a supreme being, even BOTHER to listen to one's prayers? it's not like he will grant them. there are people who pray to be able to harm others. will god grant that? and besides, god has a little "devine plan". im sure that devine plan doesn't involve every single one of your prayers. ever notice that many of your prayers dont' get answered, and the ones that do are by luck? so what then? many theists will just say, "oo its god's will". well, since hes not gunna answer your prayers, why not just fucked the praying and jsut get to the "god's will"?
and all of the above is based on the false hypothesis that GOD exists. if you read my earlier posts, you will notice that it is near impossible to be a god, and that the only reason its not completely impossible is because of all theextra bullshit you people add in.

Wild child we get it..... You don't believe in god, your still pathetic with all the things you come up with.... Um..... Its funny how you Believe the bang theory.... How do you know its true? Was you actually there? The thing about god, is that he has proof, backed up on facts. How would scientist think to figure out how the world was made.... When they change there theories every few years. Sweet heart give it up.... Go to another forum and discuss something that will help you. Besides you don't Believe in god so let it go...

and, about your comment on us randomly appearing out of thin air. evolution already told us how we came to be (high temperatures and radiation. it was even replicated in a lab.). now, what you believe in is simply adding god into the equation. think about it. us created out of thin air randomly, or us created out of thin air by a god. think man. both are almost as illogical as the other. think.

i agree with everything you just said. true, i can't disprove god comletely. but to deal with the chance of all the evidence against god, the chances of god existing is microscopic. like you, i focus on WHY they believe it, but ALSO what they believe. in the old testament, the god promoted killing one's own child, the genocide of homosexuals, and the ownership of women to men. sound very much like god? sound very much like a good religion? if a religion supports this kind of immoral bullshit, then even if the god is REAL, he STILL should be worshipped.

when it comes to proving god exists, you damn theists always make false assumptions.
for example, history. whenever theres a gap, you say that is proof of god. well, there will always be gaps, however small. and just because there is a gap, it does not prove that there really is a god acting in, making the gap. most foolish theists just assume this, making "god" the default.
another example would be evolution. they compare evolution with chance. they say, "look at this marvelous animal. look at the eyes, so sharp and keen. could this have happened by chance?"
well, this is all on the assumption that the eye came to be BY chance, and also the assumption that the percentage not filled in by chance is, by default, god. for example, lets say theres 1%% chance of the eye randomly being formed. they falsely assume the other 99%% MUST be god
now, evolution, the EYE, isn't by chance. it is like a mountain, with one side slowly inclining, the other side a cliff. it is very unlikely for a person to jump right on top of the cliff, however on the other side they can SLOWLY get on top. evolution is the same thing. it didn't just happen by chance. it happened graduately, every piece over 95%% likely. it's the same thing as breeding dogs.
so, if they would like to assume that evolution is complete chance, all at once, not in graduate stages, fine. they immediately say that its proof of intellegent design. i will say this again. intellegent design isn't the default. there are probably countless ways we could have existed without the need of intellegent design.
now, the biggest flaw of the intellegent design arguement, is that if the mere eye is so complicated that it MUST have been created by a greater being, that would make that being (god) even more complicated. therefore, according to the same logic as the arguement of intellegent design, that being (god) MUST have been created. got anything else to say? i will gladly hear it and crush it.
you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, sungirl. i disrespect all theists, because they follow their beliefs blindly, without proof. faith is nothing but bullshit, all it is, is a hallucination they entangle themselves into. it is obviously false, yet they prefer to be indulged in the illusion in order to live life hapily. whats so wrong aboutthe world without a god? are you afraid of seeing nothing to live for? well?

i know that,
i believe things on my own, not because someone told me too..

i got my share of "help"
hey im not pushing anything on anyone i just wish people would kinda think about others opinions.

hahaha
well i meant that cause its hard for me to explain things..
and yes, are their other reasons why they turn to drugs and alcohol?
majority of them is because they were abused as a child and the substance makes them feel "wanted"
thats what happened to me.

i dont know, i went to catholic school and whatnot..
but i believe in god or atleast something good.. i just hope when i die,
my soul will go some where happy because
living now is so very depressing and unhappy, but i try to make the best of it.
and the only reason why the world is so shitty because people WANT it to be like that, all people see is the negative shit in their lives not the good.
thats why so many turn to drugs and alcohol cause their life "soo bad"
thats why god made you have a mind to think for yourselves believe what you want
but when you die you'll end up with either one
god, or the devil, or even limbo.
just do nice things for people even though they prolly wont return the favor but hey, doesnt it make you feel good afterwards?..

p.s i dont think this post made any sense but it did to me ha.

http://www.johnsrevenge.com/?id=a02250f72d6ea5a9c7b20a0c85dd3cf4

OH WOW
nice link. i clicked. tell me if the first vid actually shows xD

i seriously agree. but for the first part, thats just switching my point around =.=
i agree with it, but its the part where they say a leader SHOULD have god's assistance that tick me off. it's kind of contradictory, since the country itself was FOUND by men whom agree that religion should never, in any form, be associated with politics. and yet, george bush himself stated that he believed god was by his side helping him with his job. and i can't help but notice that almost all major wars are based on religion. a nice quote from hitler:
"And hence today, I believe I am acting apon the will of the Almighty."

http://www.johnsrevenge.com/?id=5890af501a263ce12b33fc14cadfc92f

everyone click on the link

the problem is, that not a huge majority is in a single religion. if they only voted for someone of their own religion, the voting system would be seriously corrupted. according to the religious, they feel that atheists are not "fit" to be leaders, because they do not have ANY "god" helping them. but i ask them, to open their eyes, and take one good look at China. in 30 years they became a superpower in military strength and economy, all due to the "iron fist" of the communist goverment. is this type of goverment morally right? of course not. but if your country is seriously fucked up, 50 years of communism would set it straight. i expect the communism in China to drop dramaticly as their economy tops the those of other powerful countries, or maybe much higher. that, i assume, is their goal.

no i didn't make up those statistics. it was in a survey across america. richard dawkins also mentions this as a point in his book, "the god delusion". it is also true, and mentioned, that many kids don't know that "they could", in many aspects. an example would be this religion buisness. another is, if a child doesn't like his school, he would immediatly assume that his parents wouldn't let him change schools just because he didn't like it. if it's a good reason, chances are the parents would. some kids underestimate their rights, and some overestimate it. i was never religious, but kids that young are very easily affected.

okay guys, i have way too much to say, so im gunna write a little section for now. heres a piece for today.

oooooo
about time this debate got more interesting. go see the other debates, like the one named "i hate christians". i looked at this for half a second and decided it was ullshit, so i fucked off a bit and went to another. its a bit late today and i got a whole lot to say. hf, ill be back tomorrow ^^

right, but the folds are not spacial folds, they are dimensional folds. and those folds are invisible to us because they traverse a dimension we have no perception of.

like if you were a being who only understood length and width, but not height, and I folded your space so that one flap of the plane you existed within was ON TOP of another part of that plane(ON TOP being something you have no perception of)you would have no way of knowing that a "far away" point was actually right next to you. You would perceive the distance to that far away point as being at a linear distance.

That's the illusion we live under now.

Chances of us finding life on any other planet are incredibly slim though, well we may be able to see what they were like millions of years ago with a very good telescope that can zoom right in on a planet, but to actually talk to one they would have to travel the universe for thousands-billions of years to reach us, good news is we wont have to worry about evil aliens coming to enslave us tho

Dostoiefsky, that is

Look up my name bro.

You've obviously thought long and deep about this matter, probably when you were drunk. You haven't told us what God you don't believe in. If he's an old man in the sky who writes down our bad deeds in a little black book, only right-wing fundamentalists believe in him. Bishops don't believe in him either, although they don't usually admit it. I suspect most Christians would think that the poverty and injustice you hate is the work of man at his worst - they used to say the work of the Devil - and that God doesn't control every last thing we do, but allows us free-will to love or to sin. Being that I'm a Buddhist, I see it in different terms, but the idea is the same really.

cuz that sounds like a fun con, and is that girl in ur pic ur sis or something then?

But there is science around know, and I believe that is the right answer, I listen to logic but ignore talks of someone just waved their hands and the world was created.

God didnt do this people make choices and they made this i believe in god and i have never killed anyone and i am never going to so keep ur nasty negative comments to ur self

We made the bad stuff happen because god gave us free will

Okay there is bad in the world becaus Adam and eve ate the fruit in genesis maybe if you read and understood the bible you would know this the world was good till Adam and eve sinned . It doesn't matter about diseases and death. In fact ima christian and love Jesus so I'm looking coward to my afterlife if your diseased and a Christian and you die it's like your in a better place so.. Same with murder. Let me ask you this if there is no god how did the world come about? The big bang FALSE the big bang theory said that an atom exploded blah blah blah well then were did that atom come from. An atom is something that we can see right? Well it has to be created by something. In nowhere does it say in the bible that god can be seen or touch it sais he is a spirit at least until Jesus came. Now I ask you if god is such an asshole then y would he give you life why would he send his only son to die for your sin? For YOU to have a choice in living through him or not. The world is a beautiful place if you see past all the bad and what about the devil do t you think It could be HiM causing the bad? Ever took that in consideration? And why not believe why not go the safe route and just believe in him then rather believe in nothing and have no hope In the world and having a chance on going to heaven ..I'll tell you why because your a stubborn atheist .. That can believe in something unless it's proven? I mean come on!

Is not God is our disobedience God respects our decisions and the things we have done have consequences and look at the results. Everything we go through in this life fulfills a purpose as sad as whatever happens may be God has something better for us always

In my opinion, god created the first organisms on earth then fucked off cause it took so long to wait. He came back to see humans, has jesus and that was it. I'm not saying that the whole bible was real, but I'm saying there was Jesus Christ on earth, and that he was one of the ten trillion sons of god. After jesus, god got bored with earth, like and old toy, and fled once again never to come back since. Earth is one of his thousandsof colonies on other planets. Today he nay have had forgotten about earth, like an old toy. He probably had made other intelligent life forms (aliens) and is with them right now some where in the universe. I believe god is not a man, but instead a conciousness. U can't see, feel, youch, or hear him. He is just there. I believe most of the bible is bullshit, but A small percent is real. Like jesus. I believe earth was a sucessful test run in creating life. If god could care less about earth, how could he care about a single person on it?

babykyy? let's play "spot the contradiction", just reread your last post and see how many you can count (hint: the answer is greater than two)!

I must say one thing: Why do all atheist think that "God should not allow anything bad happen to us"? Where do they get this idea? Does the Bible claim this? No, it doesn't.

If God didn't allow anything bad to happen, why would we need to believe in Him? Our life would be so easy, that we wouldn't need to think about these things.

i think the arguements all are ridiculous , i dont even know the facts and really dont care to know them about evolution and whatever whatever , because i know God is real cause i felt him in my heart im only a 14 year old girl and i bet these are grown people who are just clueless toi the obvious God is the reason there is still alittle good left in this earth , my mom has been delivered from drug and alchol wich she has been addicted to for 15 years from God it takes people years and years in rehab to get over that stuff my mom was healed instantly ive witnessed miracles just by praying and praying and doctors didnt know how it happened but people were healed you cant argue the facts , just because people are to ignorant to just listen.

God is not a ass he loves everyone of u and u shouldn not say stuff like that..
Ur going to hell

Totally agree with your point of view.

"1) there is no god
2) god is a complete asshole and should not be worshiped by anyone but the murderers."

First of all, this is a complete contradiction. If God doesn't exist, how is he an asshole? Think about it.

I do agree with you on the subject that he allows complete bullshit to happen though. I don't understand it at all. My life is full of bad luck, so I know exactly how you feel. I've never had a day in my life that was full of good things. On the bright side, I haven't been killed in a freak accident yet. ;)

...in the beginning it says that God created the heavens and the earth. and He created a man. He then created a woman to help the man, to be his partner. He told them not to eat of the tree in the middle of the garden..yadda yadda, read about it...100s of years later, the world fell into sin and God said he would destroy everything he created...Noah then, read about it...so when the floods subsided, God made a covenant with man and said that He wouldn't destroy the world with water again...anyways, so later, God sends his chosen son, one who was blameless, to pay for our sins. therefore, they are paid for, and we are saved. the purpose of life is Jesus. We live for Jesus because he died to save us from going to Hell. And by not accepting God's free gift, a ticket to heaven, you take the other path. Life, now, is about living in Christ, who will make sure you get into Heaven and will change you into a better person, when this happens, your so consumed in Jesus' love for you that you don't need anything else. It's nice =]

I hate when people talk like this about someone who created them. In my opinion I think you should be worshiping the one who put you here on earth in the first place. But if you keep talking like this and you will go to hell while the rest of us Christians go up to heaven. Which one sounds better?.... Heaven.

There is no god but yet he's an a**hole? Ok man, you're contradicting yourself.

Pringleton...... Try to pray to Jesus CHrist for one month, and ask him to show you the truth. Be careful about things you say concerning god because in the end you will bow to him when he comes. If you don't believe it, try going to church. The truth is... We all will die one day, and what will you do when you stand in front of god? Its your choice, you don't have to be like the rest of these people and down god, why even discuss something you don't Believe in? And I believe that any man or woman who doesn't accept Jesus in there life will perish in the end(when they die), if anyone doesn't believe me that's fine, because I'm not your savior.

Hey, bro if there is not a God then how did you get here on this Place you just randomly appeared of of thin air?. people always say that you have a purpose in life and you may not see it at first but it's always there and belive me you will find that missing piece of life.

If ppl want to believe in God that's their full right. It's also their full right to do so without being judged or bothered for doing so.

All the god bashing posts in this thread could have been substituted for one sentence stating "I dont believe in God for my own reasons".

But atheists cant stop there can they? They have to denigrate religious ppl and their beliefs. People like you always point to the religious ones as intolerant but take a look in the mirror.

It's no longer a one way street. For every atheist that bemoans the common religious view that non-believer are doomed to damnation, theres a religious person that has to suffer at the hands of another "I opened my eyes and saw the bullshit now let me tell the world!" atheist who speaks down to religious ppl as if they are somehow superior and have to tell the whole fucken world about it.

Rant over.

I think believing in God is done by faith, and faith alone. Most scientists even ones who don't believe in God will tell you that a man named Jesus walked this earth. So there is no need for God to come down here to show you he existed. Just look all around you at creation, and just think about how impossible it is for everything to just appear out of nowhere, somebody had to have created it.

I personally understand what you went through I had to go to church and had to go to christian school. Once I turned 18 I bolted and haven't looked back since.

Honestly, I know this is going to sound crazy, but I think the reason why there is so much pain and suffering along with all the crazies who cause it is because we are overly populated!!!