Vandalism or art?

Do you consider the works of people (such as the famous Banksy), art or vandalism? In your opinion, when does vandalism become art?

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  • dappled

    I strongly support Banksy's assertion that it is art, not vandalism. However, he doesn't help his cause by not asking permission. I think most people find his stuff interesting and I see it as adding to the community (like a commissioned statue). I also see it as not only art that is publicly accessible but art that makes the public think (I know governments really don't want the public to start thinking, but hard cheese).

    I think his work improves urban areas and how can any improvement be vandalism? I'd argue that some of the buildings that are erected in our cities are an act of vandalism far greater than that they're accusing Banksy of.

    What's worse?

    This (which is in my neck of the woods and are all over the place): http://www.flickr.com/photos/40504361@N06/4068960413/

    Or this: http://www.artsjournal.com/artopia/sweep_banksy_1031.jpg

    Those voting for the tower block: you have a cold, cold heart.

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    • I completely agree.

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      • 1000yrVampireKing

        If you paint on property you do not own without the permission of owners it is. However it is up to them to be upset about it or even report you for it. As artistic as it might be.

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      • dappled

        You were very sparing in your question (which is a compliment because by "sparing" I mean "unbiased") and it did make me wonder which way this was going to go. I'd have been miffed by anti-Banksyism as he does make me prouder of the people around me. I respect what he does.

        Oh, and great question, by the way. What's going on here today? The site seems full of things people have really considered.

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        • Aww thanks! You've been saying that on quite a few of my posts recently, you flatter me too much:P!

          I tried to avoid being biased when I wrote it. I thought I might have ended up wording it a bit weirdly because I wanted to write "the artist Banksy", but I didn't want to go with that, because I guess it is biased and I wanted to keep my opinion out of it. Ah well, I'll just stick with "the famous"!

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          • dappled

            I'm such a div. I've only just worked out who you are. :P I thought I was being nice to random people, you villain!

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  • squeallikeasacofpigs

    Banksy is just very pretty vandalism. He may be vandalising other peoples property in a very creative way, but he's still vandalising it. I would personally would be really pissed off in somebody spray painted some sort of political message on my building, regardless of well done it was.

    I also hate those "Artists" that go to art galleries and practise their own "art" by damaging/altering/changing other artists work on display. That is such a dick move. THAT is true vandalism. Art is original, not screwing with somebody else's work. Like that guy who went to an art gallery and drew in the corner of some centuries old painting worth millions of pounds and called it art and freedom of expression. What a complete cunt. That's vandalism.

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  • theaverageatheist

    any scrach on the wall is a mark of ones temporary existence.

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  • Avant-Garde

    Graffiti can be considered art. I don't think its fair that its so heavily penalized.

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  • Nothing says art like a nice rock through your window.

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  • kdVICE

    everything is art depends who is looking at it a mechanic can see machines as art a cook can see food as art ^-^

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  • matchaicecream

    It's both. Art and vandalism are not mutually exclusive categories.

    Artistic intention is mirrored by artistic process. Banksy's piece is about quiet, peaceful rebellion and so it therefore makes sense that the medium in which it was executed was via defacing public property.

    Like the flowers, the piece doesn't physically harm anyone but it is a form of combat nonetheless. He could have stencilled it on canvas but this would have hindered its impact.

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  • anti-hero

    Banksy is a hack.

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  • shade_ilmaendu

    I would say it's art when it's well done, vandalism when it's stupid kids writing FUCK and drawing penises everywhere.

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    • cigs

      ? Do you know the meaning of the dick drawings because i do.

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  • xSpiikey--

    As a former Graffiti Artist myself, I would have to say Art.

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  • Shrunk

    I love graffiti like that,but I don't really understand how they do it if it's vandalism, so I think it is a form of art, as long as it's meaningful and not just scribbling your name on something

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    • cigs

      Its not just that let me put it like this, I think its how high can they jump some forms of graffiti is not art most forms of graffiti is art if you know how to read it and if you know the writers relations and all of that stuff it is art graffiti has alot of meanings.

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  • SangoNyappy

    It depends. If people just draw some shit that doesn't make sense that's vandalism but if it's something nice like real picture it's art.

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    • Yeah, I've noticed that a lot of people seem to only see it as art if they like it. I was interested in finding out whether people make the distinction between the two and why and all that.:) I think it's interesting.

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  • cigs

    When your asking it does when the person draws it them self and paints it their self its art.

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  • dom180

    Very good question. I was going to start out by writing that it was both but I don't think it is, at least not always.

    "Vandalism" is legally defined as intentional damage or destruction to property, and I don't think street art like Banksy's is inherently damaging; if anything I think good street art would usually add value. It all depends on the preferences of the owner of the property's opinion on the art though, which makes the definition very iffy. It becomes vandalism unless the owner of the property likes it, I would guess, which is a really rubbish definition of "vandalism" :P That doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing even then, and the artistic merit would be less if Banksy got permission or commission before he did a project.

    And it's definitely art :P

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  • ART!!!

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  • His work his awesome. Actually my local council promoted an initiative in which work similar to Banksy's (much lower quality obviously) was sprayed onto empty shops. It was a fairly good idea, the youth got the chance to do something worthwhile and it stopped the town centre looking derelict.

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