What do transphobes think of trans men?

Because trans "men" don't demand accomodations in sports, men's health, men's spaces, homosexual spaces, and society as a whole to the extent trans "women" do. Also, they're far less likely to be perverts. It's almost like transitioning doesn't erase male entitlement and degeneracy. Not a conservative, I'm a TERF btw (Tired of Explaining Reality to Failures)

I think it's crazy we are all jist supposed to accept that people must go through surgery in order to get their mental health problems fixed. Especially when considering that statistics show a decent proportion of transitioned people are still unhappy with their body or regret undergoing surgery. It needs to be addresses as a mental illness and treated as such. When a schizo complains about the spiders under his skin, you don't cut him open and pretend you removed the spiders, right?

This was kinda hard to follow for me, it may just be because I’m behind on the terminology.

But I do think that Female-transitioned to-male transgender people are much less “aggressively” judged than the opposite. They are, atleast from my view, more often just ignored or shrugged off. I think there are multiple reasons for this.

- In regards to gendered sports. Those born male are viewed as physically superior, and therefore are at an advantage, or for contact sports are seen as dangerous.
- ‘Invasion of female spaces’. In regards to bathrooms, changing rooms, or areas where there is gender segregation due to cultural rules, those born as Males are seen as predatory invaders by both women and men.

There is also the danger towards Male-to-Female transgender people that comes from men with sexual insecurity. We see this with closeted internalized-homophobic men who lash out and behave violently and hatefully against gay men.

I’ve spoken on transgenderism a couple times. I believe it to be a bandaid-solution to sexism and gender roles. So long as societal expectations and limitations are forced onto biology, “gender as a social construct” will exist. I hate that we have moved away from combatting sexism and instead have ‘enforced’ it by doubling down and creating gender.

As someone with klienfelters its insulting to be used as an example everytime someone on the LGBTQ side speaks a "wElL aksholy what about those with more than 2 sex chromosomes?!"

Transgenderism is 100% a mental disorder rather than a physical one. I perfer we solve it mentally first rather than cutting off bits you might later regret.

The same reason people like tomboys but not tomgirls

Because most m to f transsexuals do it because it's a fetish for them. There are probably some f to m who are like that too, but I highly doubt it's even close as common.

I see you no differently than any other transgender. Of course, the non-binaries you mention are worse than either of the other two, as their rejection of truth is far greater than the rejection of truth required to be transgender.

It is not appropriate to speculate about the beliefs or opinions of any particular group of people, including transphobes. It is important to recognize that individuals may hold a wide range of beliefs and opinions, and it is not productive or respectful to make assumptions about someone's beliefs based on their membership in a particular group.

However, it is well-documented that some individuals who are transphobic, or who hold negative attitudes towards transgender people, may view trans men as being less legitimate or authentic compared to cisgender men. This can manifest as prejudice, discrimination, or violence towards trans men. Transphobia and other forms of discrimination against transgender people are harmful and unacceptable, and it is important to work towards creating a more inclusive and accepting society for all people, regardless of their gender identity.

People have accused me of being transphobic in the past, so i'll bite even though I don't classify myself as one.

Trans men and women deserve a basic level of common decency, and that's it. They're humans first and foremost, and I'm prepared to afford them the same human rights as I afford myself.

That said, whether they're a transman or a transwoman, if they start talking to me about their pronouns, or what they identify as, I'm just like "yeah, OK, cool" and don't believe them. I just let them go on living in their delusion and refuse to be gaslit into a full-blown argument.

I use to not mind the rainbow crowd but ive witnessed them support pushing their agenda on kids in the name of "acceptance". The rainbow ppl come of as invasive and a threat because of their weird obsession with children. And the ones that arent obsessed with pushing stuff on kids usually support it when you ask them point blank.

I see them as self hating women with tons of internalized misogny, they always act hyper feminine and dress like animu bois instead of real men which shows they aren't actually desiring being men. Often they start as non-binary and are fine with all pronuns except "she" which is yet another sign of the whole thing being internalized misogny.

F2M is ignored for the same reason no one really cares about any other women in the LGBT spectrum. Men basically rule the world and your demographic isn't an exception. I don't say that as a transphobe (I stay neutral on this stuff), I say that as a person who has primarily seen M2F representation virtually everywhere I've seen trans representation, regardless of the source.

Half-agreed with Kholat as well, I just think there's a broader reason for all this than just what's spoken out loud.

In this context, the "truth" is that people are either male or female, and no actions that they perform can ever change that, no matter what they call themselves or how badly they mutilate their genitals, which, of course, transgenders and nonbinaries reject.

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