What realistic scenario to comfort me can i believe in?

I'm an atheist. I absolutely don't believe there is a God, an afterlife, etc. However, I'd really like to believe in SOMETHING, certainly now that my parents are getting older and I'm more and more reminded of their mortality. The reality that they will go nowhere after their deaths, but will simply cease to exist, is extremely painful and sad to me. Again, I want to believe in something, something to comfort me, but also is realistic. Can you please help me?

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  • You should believe in the time you have left with them more than what could happen after they're gone

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    • You're 100% right, but exactly how do I do that? Any tips?

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      • RoyyRogers

        Everyone passes. You meet new people and you make new freinds. Everyone will eventually come and go. The world is just like that. You learn to accept what you can not change.

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        • Yeah, I should learn to accept it. The big question is how. Any suggestions?

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          • allialli

            you’ll never actually be ready to accept it. when someone dies, there’s nothing that can help you prepare for it. it’s going to hurt really bad for a really long time, but the best thing you can do is remember the time you spent together that made you happy, and then when the time comes, you’ll just have to look forward.

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          • RoyyRogers

            You quit whining and accept that is just how things are and realize whining doesn't change things

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            • True, whining doesn't change things. However, the question was HOW to accept it.

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      • You will never know what happens after them or anyone else dies. You won't know, you couldn't change anything, being upset over what might happen is silly to think about since you never will know, same with thinking something "good" might happen, all of that is a defense mechanism to keep you in the dark. Accepting them as truly gone forever is a little more difficult than believing they could be in heaven

        What you do know is that you have time to be with them now, you can sew good tidings with them and reap a satisfying relationship with your parents

        You can respect their deaths and bury them, return them to the earth, let their bodies decompose and make the ground fertile for plants and trees

        And any time you feel sad about them being gone, you can think about all the good times you had together, how you appreciated them when they could acknowledge it. You can think about how you put their bodies to rest and kept them in the cycle of life, they lived and died and brought you into this world and you helped them give life to plants and worms which have their own ecosystems that include their lives as well as the predators that consumes them. I mean in a certain sense they're still here, benefiting the world with their bodies and you as well for helping you become the person you are and in the memories and feelings you hold for them

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        • "Accepting them as truly gone forever is a little more difficult than believing they could be in heaven"

          It's MUCH more difficult, I'd say.

          "I mean in a certain sense they're still here, benefiting the world with their bodies and you as well for helping you become the person you are and in the memories and feelings you hold for them"

          That's somewhat comforting.

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  • Rocketrain

    Believe in life. That's what you have from birth to death isn't it. Everything else play their games around it isn't it. Focus, invest your self in your life. You'll be amazed what you would realize.

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  • 1WeirdGuy

    This has always been really weird to me when people choose religion that they WANT to believe in. You either believe it or you dont. Idk how you can choose a religion just for comfort. I heard a guy at work saying he was gonna be a Christian instead of muslim because he drinks beer... is that not really weird to other people? You either believe jesus was real and was gods son. You dont believe it just so you can believe in something. Idk kind of fuckin stupid to me.

    Christianity is the most likely out of all to be real if sny are real. Something massive happened and there was a lot of witnesses that saw jesus perform miracles. He definitely existed and was crucified. Over 500 witnesses to it and people of status including thr people who sentenced him to death testified seeing him alive after he died.

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    • Pilum

      Christianity is absolutely not the most likely to be real. On what grounds are you claiming that?

      I'm not religious but I can't see what gives Christianity any more legitimacy than any other theology.

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      • "On what grounds are you claiming that?"

        While I share your sentiments, they did say this:

        "Something massive happened and there was a lot of witnesses that saw jesus perform miracles. He definitely existed and was crucified. Over 500 witnesses to it and people of status including thr people who sentenced him to death testified seeing him alive after he died."

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        • Pilum

          For one, assuming he could provide sources of evidence for those claims, other than the Bible, it wouldn't make them any more than hearsay.

          Some ancient people wrote down something obviously from fantasy and I'm supposed to give it a bunch of credit for what reason?

          Witch burnings took place on legal record too, let's not forget. I wouldn't say that gives them any more credibility. People made supernatural accusations daily in those times.

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    • RoyyRogers

      There is historical evidence of places or events in the bible. However the bible also said god painted the sky with a paintbrush. Which is a skeptical claim

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      • Are you a Christian?

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    • "This has always been really weird to me when people choose religion that they WANT to believe in."

      I get that. However, is it really so strange that I want some comfort and peace of mind?

      "You either believe it or you dont."

      Yes, it certainly seems that you indeed can't choose what to believe. I'm not sure about it, though. I've read articles of people saying that you CAN choose to believe stuff. I guess it also depends on your definition of "choosing" and "believing."

      "Something massive happened"

      That could be claimed by lots of religions as well. In fact, it IS.

      "there was a lot of witnesses that saw jesus perform miracles."

      We don't know if the Bible is correct in reporting this, certainly not as the Bible makes many more inaccurate claims (https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html). There are no extra-Biblical accounts of it. Besides, he could've been a really skilled magician or something like that.

      "He definitely existed and was crucified."

      The vast majority of scholars indeed seem to think so. That in itself, though, doesn't make him divine or anything. According to the Bible, he also said some pretty nasty things. Matthew 10:37, for example.

      "Over 500 witnesses to it and people of status including thr people who sentenced him to death testified seeing him alive after he died."

      Where did you get this information from? I'm pretty familiar with the Bible, but I've never come across it.

      In any case, the most important thing, regardless of what you believe, is being a good human being. Do you agree?

      PS: are you a Christian?

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  • LloydAsher

    Matrix. I'm half expecting when I die to suddenly wake up in a machine like from rick and morty. Then get the 20 or so tickets from it.

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  • bigbudchonger

    Reincarnation seems resonable

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  • olderdude-xx

    I believe that there is overwhelming evidence that key concepts of many religions are in fact true... and there is some kind of afterlife with some version of heaven and hell.

    The key evidence comes from the people who deal with people on their deathbed (typically medical) - from all parts of the world and all kinds of different beliefs:

    It is very commonly reported that its not uncommon for a medical team to save a person that was on the verge of death -and that a noticeable percentage of them have 2 immediate reactions.

    1) They are totally terrified of what they saw and expected to experience. Some will very briefly say that they saw some form of dark hell waiting for them. Then in a few moments they totally suppress this memory and forget about it...

    2) Others tell of how peaceful and joyful they saw their next stage in life and that they knew friends were waiting for them. The may report that all they had to do was walk towards the light when they were pulled back to their body.

    A number of these people remember this experience... and they know that they have lived a good life and need to continue it.

    These "Heaven or Hell" experiences are reported to occur to people of all faiths around the world.

    The 2nd supporting evidence is that if you take what the Judo-Christians consider the 10 commandments, and remove the part on who you worship and when (Yahweh, on Saturday the Sabbath: see reply post below on Christian Sunday worship as an example of the need to be careful when looking at religions); that all the other "commandments" are repeated concept for concept (and surprisingly almost word for word in some cases) in the other religions.

    I don't think that is an accident (Call this a core personal belief).

    I've also met many a wonderful truly spiritual person from other religions that I have total faith in that they are a real benefit to society and the world. They will gladly sit down and talk about similarities and how to improve the community and the world - regardless of the other person's specific religion (remember similar concepts).

    That's the key evidence that I believe indicates that the concept of religion has a real basis; and that there is some kind of afterlife for us and some kind of higher intelligence at play.

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    • olderdude-xx

      This is a long post (I apologizes in advance); and discusses the basis for the concept of Christian Sunday Worship - which most people do not know about.

      Finding something to believe in... is not an easy quest.

      I personally spent about 25 years researching different religions of the world looking for answers to many questions before I settled on what was right for me (and I personally believe there are multiple paths based on the evidence that people of all faiths report the same heaven and hell near death experiences.

      I encourage you to take your questions to many different religions and find someone who will just patiently answer your questions to the best of their ability without overtly trying to convert you. Yes, these people do exist.

      The other things is to also look at their religious history and claims.

      While I believe that Christianity deserves a look – I’d be very careful and understand things that are in the Bible and things that aren’t – and what is the churches actually teaching and doing in practice?

      Personally: I consider myself a Christian. I believe that Jesus was real and that yes he can legitimately claim to be the son of “god” and he had a real message to be delivered.

      But my view of Christianity is much different than what most "Christian" people believe based on an extensive study of the Bible, its biblical history, and the various meanings of different things in the Bible (which are discussed in Seminary College; but rarely acknowledged in common church practice).

      Here is part of the history and part of the reason why I believe that.

      Lets’ look at the history on Christian Sunday worship - the basis for it – and is it appropriate.

      Note there are several other issues where I see a vast difference from common modern day “Christian” practice and what I believe is clearly taught in the Bible.

      Christians were originally formed from Jews who (like Jesus himself) believe that the sabbath was Saturday (as described in the Torah and Old Testament). They became Christians because they believed that Jesus was the specific "savior" predicted later in the Torah (People who are Jews just consider Jesus another prophet, and there have been many prophets). Note that Sabbath worship predated Judaism in the middle east area where Abraham lived and still is practiced by several of the earlier active Babylonian religions (the story of Abraham and his family, descendants, etc. is the basis of Judaism, Christianity, and Muslim).

      Several versions of the early Christian church developed in the first several hundred years after Jesus’s death (and resurrection), all who followed Saturday Sabbath worship.

      The Council of Laodicea is the first official act to change to worship on Sunday based on request of the Roman Church at that time (although reading of the scriptures and personal rest was still OK on Saturday). There are no accurate records of the actual date of this Council and multiple dates have been reported: 364 AD is the most common date currently accepted although there are arguments for 336 AD and other dates as well.

      The Roman Church at the Council of Laodicea is now known as the Roman Catholic Church.

      It is noted that the Roman Church had extensive experience with experiments with Sunday worship by this time due to Emperor Constantine’s Sunday worship law of 321 AD. This law was not Christian based as there were a multitude of different religions in Rome and the Roman Empire many with different worship days. Emperor Constantine felt that everyone should worship on Sunday to honor the “Day of the Sun” as per his personal religion; and that by standardizing the Worship day that the Roman Empire would be more productive and uniform. The Roman Church of the day practiced and supported Sabbath as the rest and worship day prior to this law – and allowed it after this law… until much late (see below).

      Thus, the basis of the request by the Roman Church at the Council of Laodicea was their experiment with Sunday worship and the fact that it allowed them to attract a much larger number of converts from other religions by using Sunday worship (and not requiring the Sabbath day of rest and worship).

      The justification given by the Roman Catholic Church for this change is that the Pope "IS" the direct representative of GOD on this earth and has the power to interpret and change any of the rules in the Bible (including the 10 commandments). There are numerous published citations by many Popes over the last several thousand years claiming absolute religious authority and power (even over the angles of heaven - with the power to excommunicate and cast out angels from heaven).

      A large number of Christians of the day around the world did not support elimination of the Sabbath as the day of worship and Sabbath worship continued to be mainstream in much of the world, and many people living in and around Rome moved to other parts of Europe and the Middle East.

      Sabbath worship dominated Christianity well beyond the Council of Laodicea.

      Byzantine Emperor Justinian (527-565 AD) wanted to consolidate his power and conquer more of the world - and decided to work with the Roman Church. He sent his armies to either convert people to Christians with Sunday Worship and other practices of “Catholicism,” or execute them; and thus return these areas to Roman Catholic rule. Then he turned his attention to reconquering Italy (and replacing the Italian government) and restoring the control of Italy to the Roman Catholic Church. There are no known accurate records of those killed, but an estimate that I've seen repeated is that at least 70,000 Sabbath worshiping Christians were killed for failure to convert to Sunday worship and other Catholic practices in the Middle East, Africa, and Italy (most people converted once they saw that death was their real immediate life alternative).

      Roman Catholicism (including Sunday Worship) was made the official Empire Religion in 538 AD by act of law by Emperor Justinian, and all other religions were forbidden.

      While many Sabbath worshiping churches still existed in Europe; who largely along with believing in the Sabbath also believed that the Roman Catholic Church practiced Idolatry (worshiped idols) – another violation of the 10 commandments (Idols – 2nd Commandment; Sabbath 4th Commandment).

      The Roman Catholic Church defined that anyone who read the Bible and came to a different interpretation than what they – the Papal Authorities – had declared was a “heretic” and subject to execution.

      The Roman Church was wealthy, controlled the rulers of many states and countries, and sent inquisitors and armies across much of Europe to convert people; or execute them. At least another 100,000 Sabbath worshiping Christians died in Europe who would not convert.

      Remarkably, remnants of Sabbath Christian worship continued in Europe even through centuries of persecution.

      The French overthrew the Papal government about 1260 years later in 1798 as part of the extended French Revolutionary wars across much of Europe (which led to Napoleon to becoming the leader of France in 1799).

      The Protestant Reformation identified Sunday Worship as an issue, and in most cases agreed to continue with it with no great reason other than “convenience”. However, splinter groups formed as there is clearly no biblical basis at all for abandoning the Sabbath and the idea that the Church could change any of the 10 commandments at the Council of Laodicea was considered ridiculous (what you feel about how legitimate this was – is up to you).

      Within the United States the 1620 Mayflower “Puritans” were a Sabbath worshiping 7th day splinter group from the main English “Puritans” that accepted Sunday worship in England, and the Seventh Day Baptists (early 1640’s) are the oldest Sabbath worshiping Christian religious groups I can identify.

      There are a number of independent 7th day Christian Churches, as well as the more organized Seventh Day Baptists and Seventh Day Adventists active in the USA.

      My feelings are that the in general that most so called “Christian” churches in the world have long ago given up on teaching the rules of charity, civilization, civility, humility, and general goodness that are found in the Torah, Old Testament, New Testament, and other religious writings of that era. They also seem to treat the “10 commandments” as at best the 10 suggestions which can be ignored – and they do so in multiple fashions (that’s my personal interpretation of what I see as common "Christian Church" teachings and activities).

      If you are going to look at Christianity – I highly suggest that you look at the 7th day churches. I believe the ones that most accurately live and teach the Bible and about Jesus’s teachings are generally some of the independent 7th day churches.

      I wish you the best; and it’s not a problem with me if you chose another religion; or none at all.

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  • "Perhaps you'll get used to their absence"

    Perhaps, but it'll take an ENORMOUS amount of time. Then again, I think you never COMPLETELY stop missing people you've loved SO dearly...

    "you need to make sure you won't feel then much of a guilt or regret about things you did with them. It feels good When your memories with someone were good memories and when you know you were nice with them."

    Yes.

    "Help them to be better and live better in the time they have left. And after their death continue being good with them the way you can be good to someone behind their back."

    I'll certainly try.

    "I wish you all will believe, though. I'd be concerned about what they're going to get after death and try to make them make the right choices."

    I'm extremely concerned what they're going to get after death. I think nothing at all, but you can't be 100% certain. However, there are three things I wonder:

    1. Exactly WHAT should we believe and why? What's the right choice?
    2. Is it even possible to choose what you believe?
    3. My parents are good, loving people. Surely that's far more important than what they believe?

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  • JellyBeanBandit

    I've heard that space-time exists as a four dimensional kind of a structure, and so when an event happens it doesn't just disappear into non-existence but continues to exist in this structure, outside of our three-dimensional awareness. And so every moment in our lives is still happening somewhere "out there".

    I don't know if I'm talking pseudoscience though tbh, I might have this all wrong.

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  • RoseIsabella

    I feel like there's a Dane Cook thing you should see.

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    • Why? And do have any suggestions?

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  • radar

    Sometimes it's not so bad just to be aware you don't know. It doesn't mean there's not something out there you're unaware of, it just means you aren't aware of it, and that's fine. Nobody really is because we haven't been there yet. Whatever it is there's nothing you can do about it except try to make the best of life while that's available to you, and enjoy your time with your parents.

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