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What do you think is the most flawless movie ever made? One which you do not have to suspend disbelief, has no plot holes and is just completely flawless?
| I will leave my choice in a comment. | 41 | |
| I cannot think of a single movie that is flawless. | 77 |
Here are some I can think of, since all of these are for me perfect films:
The Matrix
American Beauty
Brief Encounter
Road to Perdition
Amélie
Tekkonkinkreet
Terminator 2
Aliens
Die Hard
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Sixth Sense
Pan's Labyrinth
Lord of The Rings: Fellowship Of The Ring
Fight Club
Chaser
Let The Right One In
There are others. Even if they aren't all the greatest movies, they are flawless in so much as they are perfectly formed - the perfect length, pace, depth, scale etc.
Without thinking too much about this question I do believe se7en is one of the greatest films ever made.
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The Room, ery day and ery way. The football, tearing me apart lisa, oh hi Mark... It's a cinematic dream born from Tommy W's brain-gina.
It's not flawless but I really enjoyed Thor.
The philosophical questions in the movie still make me wonder today.
I Once Was a Male War Bride
The Green Mile
The Lord of The Rings
Star Trek... a lot of them XD
Forest Gump
The Avengers... was fucking awesome, fer real.
Thor... was fantastic
Gran Torino
Bullit
I am not a big movie person, not gonna lie, but those are my favorites and I think they were great :D
I can't think of a single one that is perfect. Also, "most flawless" makes no sense. It's a grammatical mistake I see all the time, so you're not alone. Just pointing it out :P
I feel your pain. When people say "The most best" or "The most perfect" I cringe.
Wow, I didn't even realize that! How stupid! I'll never make that mistake again! I guess I should have said 'least flawed'?
How do you figure that's a grammatical mistake? I looked it up, and as far as I can tell, "most flawless" is the correct superlative of "flawless". It does mean something more like "closest to flawless", but I don't think it's actually incorrect. You could argue that it is, but since it's something that everybody understands and that doesn't hurt clarity at all, what's the point? It appears to have been standard usage for centuries now.
I agree it doesn't really hurt clarity, it's just a pet peeve of mine because I see it, or versions of it, so often :P "Flawless" and "perfect" etc. are absolute superlatives, meaning you can't have degrees of them like the "most flawless" or "least flawless"; it's either flawless or isn't. If flawless means "no mistakes", "most flawless" would mean "most no mistakes". I'm not sure if that makes perfect sense the way I described it :P This describes it a bit better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_%28grammar%29#Absolute_adjectives
It is in standard usage, I'll admit. It's just one of those things that rattles my chains :P
I understand why it would bother you, but I think changing it to "least flawed" COULD hurt clarity, depending on what the OP meant, simply because it changes the meaning of the question.
"What's the least flawed movie ever?" is a different question from "What's the most flawless movie ever?", especially when you consider that in the vernacular, "flawless" has come to mean excellent or fabulous, not literally free of flaws (note that this meaning is often used when discussing celebrities and entertainment, so it's usually reasonable to assume that this is the intended meaning in a post about movies). "What is the most flawless movie?" asks what movie we think is the most excellent, which is a measure of both the negative and positive attributes a movie. "What is the least flawed movie?", on the other hand, asks what movie we think has the fewest negative attributes.
Even if you're using a more literal interpretation of the word "flawless", "most flawless" still has very different connotations from "least flawed". "Least flawed" indicates that the speaker has a certain level of bitterness towards the subject. It conveys a sense of pessimistic compromise: the speaker is certain that no movie will ever meet their standards of perfection and is therefore willing to settle for whatever they dislike least. "Most flawless", on the other hand, makes the speaker sound more optimistic and enthusiastic about the subject. It indicates that there may be many movies that meet the speaker's standards, and that they're looking for the most excellent of those.
Note: I know, I know. When I say "the vernacular", that's the sound of me sweeping regional differences under the rug.
I've only ever heard flawless as a synonym for "perfect" or "without flaws" before, but hey, a lot of words take on different meanings in society to their most literal definitions (possibly because of the natural human tendency toward hyperbole, but that's not important). I'm not saying that those definitions are any worse, but they're not so useful because when you deviate from literal definitions words start having different meanings to different people, and that leads to this discussion we're having now.
I don't think "least flawed" is exactly a great alternative to go with either, precisely because of the reasons you listed, but a good way to say it while keeping it simple would have just been "best ever" or "favourite ever", but those are less specific and don't hold the intended meaning precisely. Even better though, if you want to get the meaning of the title exactly the same as it was intended, "closest to flawless" would also work without having - at least in my entirely personal opinion - any negative connotations.
To the OP: I hope I'm not coming across as some "Queen's English is the Only English" obsessive about grammar, because that's the opposite of what I really am. Your way of writing it doesn't bother me, but I just thought I'd point it out. I'm also sorry for hijacking your cinematic discussion with a petty point about grammar :P
I completely agree with dom on this. Once he pointed it out, I realized how stupid it actually sounds. Even though it's apparently common to say, I still wouldn't ever say it again now that I'm aware of it.
I'm not a wordsmith by any means so I don't always notice these types of things. If it were a math error or something along those lines, I'd be all over it but I do get tripped up on word choices from time to time. I'm taking it as a lesson learned!!
actually... dom180 is correct. flawless implies zero flaws. there are no 'degrees' of flawlessness. it's either flawless, or it's not.
also, the anon poll creater's comment above is a great response. "least flawed" is a great alternative.
I see how it can go either way. I never achieved perfect scores in grammar.
See my reply to dom180 below for why I don't think "least flawed" is a good alternative. The meanings may be literally similar, but the connotations are very different.
"The Protectors" Oh wait, I wrote that one. "The Untold Story" Oh wait, I wrote that one too.
Uhm, let's see..."Cleanse My Soul"? Damn! I also wrote that one.
Lol, nah, I'm not this vain, but I don't know what the most flawless movie is. I guess I could say, "King Kong"?
Apocalypto
Shriek 1 & 2
Quarantine
Willy wonka and the chocolate factory
The other boleyn girl
The breakfast club
Cadillac records
Fear
V for vendetta
Death race
House of the dead
Repo the genetic opera
Sweeney Todd
zombie land
Amelie
Run Lola Run
The first three Harry Potter Films
Pan's Labyrinth
The Tenant
The Matrix
Titan A.E.
V for Vendetta
Spirited Away
Princess Mononoke
The Fifth Element
Whale Rider
Castle in the Sky
Steamboy
The Lord of the Rings (live-action)
There are some more, but that's all that I can remember for now.
Fight club
American History X
The Usual Suspects
The Shawshank Redemption
Into The Wild
Batman :The Dark Knight
October Sky
Blood Diamond
Most of all the movie that I love and can relate to the most would be Fight Club.
But Pulp Fiction has the best food scene, "TASTY BURGER!".
Other titles that I also love would be: Inception, Butterfly Effect, Shawshank Redemption, Inglourious Basterds, American Beauty, Jacob's Ladder, Platoon, The Woodsman, Watchmen, the first and last SAW films.
I could keep listing films but I'm getting hungry now.
A SMALL SAMPLING OF PERFECTION
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MOVIES
Serenity
Fight Club
Dark City
13th Floor
Vanilla Sky
The Matrix
eXistenze
The Dark Crystal
Labyrinth
SERIES
Battlestar Galactica
Fringe
Lost
BOOKS
Terry Pratchet
Piers Anthony
Robert Heinlien
Barry P. Connors
I've seen some of those, they're pretty good, but Vanilla Sky? What a train wreck.
Actually each time you watch Vanilla Sky, you take something new from it... there have been times that I hated it and swore to never watch it again, and other times my mind was blown. I think it depends on your mindspace at the time. I know that the second time I saw it I was amazed at how much I missed the first time.
I think it deserves several re-watches.
Also.. I left off the list some important others:
SECOND LIST
Memento
The Jacket
K-Pax
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Click
Minority Report
Chronicles of Riddick
Right? ;)
So many good movies! All influenced by Casablanca.
Good writing is the key chicos! An and element of love.
Repo Man. Not the stupid one that came out a couple years ago about futuristically reposessing organs-what a disaster.
I'm talking about the 1985 version about the punk kid (Emilio Estevez) that becomes a repo man to make ends meet and seeks a 1964 chevy malibu with 4 dead aliens (extraterestrials) in the trunk. Hilarity ensues.
Scorsese's GOOD FELLAS,
and
HOWL'S MOVING CASTLE.
(I know that two don't have anything to do with each other but I am equally passionate about both and HIGHLY recommend them).
PS: Loved this post :) - but you gotta erase the grammar bit..too distracting ;P
this ain't a movie but "Breaking Bad" is my favorite series, they did a great fukin job on sound n setting the mood. N the dood really fukin breaks bad.
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when u see the poisonous plant in "heisenburgs" back yard! wow jus wow man.
i don't think most people consider it flawless, but i'm obsessed with Goodfellas.
i'm a fan of gangster films, and that one is my favorite.
The Incredibles.. I was psyched to see it as soon as I saw the trailer. When I watched the movie I was in awe. Thought it was perfect. Not a line of place not a scene that wasn't needed. Complete perfect arc of a story. One of the few times my expectations were exceeded.
Womb, without a doubt. Thought provoking and realistic. The movie was well cared by amazing acting, best movie I've seen yet. Also Meet Joe Black was great, not a flaw to be seen, at least by my eyes. Made you think and feel as though it was real and Brad Pitt carried his role well. I doubt the movie would have been watchable without his key role.
A beautiful mind.
Lord of the rings.
The titanic.
Phantom of the Opera.
The post about double stamps got me to remember dumb and dumber so, I have to jot that as one of them.
Cars.
Puss N boots.
Wall E.
The gruffalo.
In my opinion a flawless movie would be saving Private Ryan or Scarface.
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Knight Nigel Wellington XXI
Hmm. Stuck between Fight Club and American Psycho.
What I don't get about Fight Club is that when he....
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...Shoots himself on the cheekbone, it ends up going straight through Tyler's head...I didn't get that bit.
Because they're the same person. The thing most miss is that he's actually aiming to do something good throughout the whole film.
Thy guy has a multiple personality disorder and ends up fighting with his other self (Tyler). Since he is not mentally strong enough to just erase his other personality, he has to physically harm himself to assist in the process of eliminating Tyler.
It gets confusing because they are portrayed by different actors throughout the film so as not to reveal the "truth" until the end.
I actually thought the movie was quite shitty although it was quite well made. As far as confusing films go, Inception is much better.
Shawshank Redemption, Goodfellas, Godfather part 1 and The Spongebob Squarepants Movie
Either O Brother Where Art Thou ooorr Ferris Buellers Day Off. Probably Fb, that movie is literally flawless
Nothing's flawless. But Forrest Gump was pretty good. Inception was decent. The Hunger Games wasn't bad either.
Are you trying to vex me? This question is going to have me thinking for days!
I'm going to cheat and say Senna because it's pure documentary truth. So plot holes and suspension of disbelief don't apply. I could add Goodfellas (based on a true story).
But to play the game properly, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest never felt anything but real. Schindler's List too (although admittedly based on truth, you know what Spielberg is like), The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Full Metal Jacket, Requiem for a Dream, The Sting, The Station Agent, When The Wind Blows.
Actually, that's my choice. When The Wind Blows. I'm choosing it because just thinking about this film disturbs me. Not because it's full of special effects and excitement and twists but because it's quiet and true. It's devastating because it's small, not because it's big. It doesn't lie because it doesn't need to. The small and inevitable truth it contains is, by its very casualness, earth-shattering. It's a very, very clever and manipulative film which makes a mess of me every time. It hurts because it's true. It's flawless for the same reason.
Shame on me for not mentioning One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. I even wrote a paper on the film a couple of years ago.
And I forgot Falling Down. I love that film. All that build up, step by step, and then the twist of the final weapon. I love how his life parallels Prendergast's, as well, in terms of petty annoyances and how it's actually Prendergast who strikes the blow by talking sternly to his wife, whereas D-FENS never really steps out of line apart from to defend himself (again, clever because of his career choice).
Eminently quotable too. What he says to the golfer about his hat is just wonderful. I wish they hadn't put the rocket launcher in, though. I know they kind of had to, to make a point, but it does stretch credibility. What a great film, though, and it all starts with a hot day, traffic problems, and a buzzing fly. :)
Oh, little factoid for you. You know at the start when D-FENS gets out of his car and that guy starts shouting at him before the cop arrives? The actor playing the guy shouting is the person who wrote the film. He had a decent career of bit parts in pretty big name American TV shows and things had dried up a bit so he wrote this (and yet gave himself only a bit part). I kind of love that. I also love that maybe the opening scene of the film really happened to him and inspired him to write it.
Requiem for a Dream. The music, the way they set the mood, the artistry of the filmmaking... it's such a heartbreaking movie but so, so well done.
Idk but I'm just going to say one of my favorite movies (though based on an autobiography), My Left Foot.
...The Nightmare Before Christmas, Spirited Away and Falling Down. :P
Aww, I absolutely adore Spirited Away! Such an amazing film! Oh, and speaking of Studio Ghibli things, have you ever seen Howl's Moving Castle? Another film I love to bits, it just makes me so happy. If you haven't seen it, I'd definitely recommend it.:)
Oh, and high five for the Nightmare Before Christmas. I just love that sort of thing:D! I've never seen Falling Down, but it's getting added to the list (as is My Left Foot):P.
There are just two I have to keep coming back to.
Dunston Checks In and Operation Dumbo Drop.
The acting is sublime, the plot lines are riveting, and the animals give it a sense of innocence not easily achieved.
That is a tough movie to enjoy! Really well done though. Leo Fitzpatrick who plays Telly was in The Wire, all grown up, and it took me ages to realise who he was...
See - http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_t0XO1DCg9Ho/SG1FJAyj3zI/AAAAAAAAAOU/FY5DmAbYxAs/s400/The_Wire_Johnny.jpg
apocolypso , terminator 2, interview with a vampire , predator , dumb and dumber, they probly have flaws but i didnt notice them