Which country caused more destruction?
Yeah, who do you think caused more destruction?
| America during it's entire existence ( 1776-2022 ) | 28 | |
| Japan during WW2 ( 1937-1945 ) | 6 |
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1234tellmethatyoulovememore
The United States of course, but you are also comparing a massive amount of time to a very short amount of time.
However, even if you were not, I would still say the United States if you were to expand it to the same amount of time.
Are you not aware of the amount of genocide Americans have taken part in with great pride? You really seem ignorant of American and its racist history. It was abhorrent and downright evil. American churches used to teach God separated us by race and there was a Civil Rights group called the Freedom Riders who had two members beaten unconscious and had mothers holding their children up to scratch their eyes out. This was a *church* attacking civil rights activists, because despite being apparent followers of Jesus, they were Ku Klux Klan members.
If you're the same anonymous OP who was asking if the Japanese should apologize for Pearl Harbor but isn't even American, I have basically the same feeling: stop thinking you know our history. The United States has a very tragic, abhorrent history ripe with tragedy. There is a lot of horrific things Americans have done that can no longer be meaningfully apologized for because those people are dead and the damage is done. I don't know why you are so set on making the Japanese out to be so villainous and Americans to be innocent victims. Just stop, it's embarrassing to you and actual Americans.
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LloydAsher
The silver lining to all of this is the fact that americans by and large teach that we were assholes in the past, current, and likely future. Being able to teach that you were objectively the bad guys sometimes is something most other countries just gloss over as a topic dispite every single country having some serious shit done to others.
I've seen how Japan teaches its history in ww2. Which pretty much summarizes that the millitary took over and the wise emperor chose his countryman over the complete destruction of the country. And that america did the exact opposite of what they thought they were going to, so that's why we are best friends.
History sucks, everyone had slaves. Some countries still use slave labor! Be mad at those countries not the ones who banned it hundred+ years ago.
You can love your country and acknowledge history.
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1234tellmethatyoulovememore
I can also choose to be cosmopolitan. I love what my country can offer me while I live here. Or I don't really have to love anything. Would I defend this land if it was being invaded and defend my fellow countrymen? Yes. I also love the natural beauty of it and some of our better history, like Teddy Roosevelt (fav president) setting up the national park system. I guess I love this country.
I do not love the history in which it came to be. It was built on the backs of genocide and heavy, heavy racism and white supremacy. Also, just because slavery was "banned" doesn't mean it went away, nor the horrific treatment of black Americans.
Also the way American history is taught in schools is still heavily censored. I'm not having a Japan vs. US conversation regarding this, just a how the US teaches it conversation. OP isn't even an American so I don't even know what they're on about. I learned US history in California, uber liberal state right? Our textbooks were still from Texas. We still learned world and US history through a pro-American lens, even when we were taught about the atrocities. The only teacher who taught me any differently was my AP Euro teacher in high school, and that was more focused on Europe. But he helped make me a pacifist. I didn't get a full understanding of history until college, and even then I'm not entirely sure it's entirely unbiased. That's a problem with historical accounts.
And yes, everyone had slaves. If you look up the Sroufe House, you can read a story about a family who escaped through the Underground Railroad. Their master was Sebastian Sroufe who tried to keep them from escaping by keeping their baby in his bedroom next to his rifle. Sebastian Sroufe is my seventh great grandfather. So yes, everyone owned slaves.
(The family still escaped with the baby! Fuck you grandpa.)
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olderdude-xx
historically, in the history of the world. I'd rate the Roman Empire right up there. How do you think they conquered so much of the territory around the Mediterranean Sea, Europe, and the UK, etc.
How much was destroyed and lost in the process?
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Yaidin
Real shame they destroyed mud houses to build their own bathhouses and temples. And sewage systems. And roads. And concrete buildings. And irrigation systems. And heating. And markets. And churches. And socio-economic advancements.
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olderdude-xx
The Romans did not actually invent many of those things. They adopted them.
What would have happened if the cultures that invented those things had been allowed to flourish, instead of being crushed and destroyed.
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LloydAsher
I'd argue against that since the whole "dark ages" happened. Without the roman government it took centuries to recover the technological advancements and infistructure the Roman's originally had.
The Roman's were going to collapse anyway, was unavoidable after caesar. A unified or mostly unified goverment is needed to revolutionize and utilize said technology for their own benefit. Something shattered countries and states cant achive by themselves because of the capital and manpower constraints.
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1WeirdGuy
According to google in ww2 Japan killed up to 10,000,000 people. And they were extremely cruel to the Chinese. I dont know how many people the US has killed since its founding but I'm gonna guess more.
But as far as destruction definitely USA. Even in ww2 we were responsible for more destruction because we leveled cities and rained hell from the sky.
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ospry
I love my country but I'm not blinded by loyalty. America's done some messed up shit throughout its history
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LloydAsher
America just because it's over the course of 250 years. Japan got 7 in before we decided to nuke their asses mainly because it was decided that invading japan would cause way more damage and life loss.
I'd argue germany during ww2 did more damage than America ever did over the course of its entire life time but just japan? Sure they got a few genocides here and there and a bunch of war crimes but that was all over the course of 20 years.
But 250 years? That's a bit unfair.
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