Why do people still care about something that happened years ago?

9/11 for example. That happened back in 2001, it's 2022. Why do people still care for it? What's funny is how people will care for a plane crash that happened years ago, yet ignore the many accidents that happen these days. Same goes for slavery. Slavery was a long time ago.

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  • MonteMetcalfe

    The events of 911 forever changed daily life for millions of people the world over. Whether you see or acknowledge that is irrelevant.

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    • And the events of 9/11 took place 21 years. Whether you see or acknowledge that is irrelevant.

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      • MonteMetcalfe

        And yet it still and will always effect our daily lives. Major life changing events/tragedies like that don't occur that often so they tend to stand out.

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        • "Our"? Your life might be affected for whatever reason, but not mines.

          Would I be here saying how something that happened 21 years ago doesn't matter anymore (which is true) if it had an impact on my life?

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          • Boojum

            You're here saying that something that happened 21 years ago doesn't have any impact on your life because you simply don't comprehend the impact it has had.

            One of the most obvious direct consequences of 9/11 was the 20 year long "War on Terror". I guess you've never known any of the many thousands of Americans who were killed or maimed during the war so you don't give a shit about them, and I'm absolutely certain you don't give a damn about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan civilians killed and wounded during the conflict.

            So let's talk about something simple which you might understand: money. The War on Terror is estimated to have cost the USA about $8 trillion. Do the math, and that works out at to be about $150,000 for every adult American alive today. That's money which could have been spent on things which might have resulted in you having a better quality of life today, but instead it was spent on military hardware and explosives.

            Another consequence of 9/11 was a shift in the American psyche. I'm not saying that life was wonderful for everyone before the twin towers fell, but there was a general attitude that the USA had won the Cold War, and the world was generally moving in a positive direction with the USA leading the way. After 9/11, paranoia set in, and there was a growing belief that the USA was under constant, existential threat by an invisible army of religious fanatics who were out to slaughter as many random Americans as they could. If you ever travel by air, all the security BS you must go through at the airport and the obnoxious, officious, dim-witted TSA agents you have to make nice to are a direct consequence of 9/11. Also, it's not difficult to draw a direct line between 9/11 and the current attraction to authoritarian politics in the USA; if people have the feeling that their lives and their way of life are threatened, they're attracted to leaders who promise to solve all the problems by simple, draconian measures.

            And then there are the consequences that none of us civilians will probably ever know. I'm not inclined to believe in conspiracy theories, but anyone with any sense knows that great evil can be justified in the name of national security. It's not in the realm of total paranoia to wonder whether some government system has this silly little website on its monitoring list, it has been able to use an IP address to identify your real-life identity, and an AI system has read your posts here, identified some vaguely sociopathic and nihilistic attitudes in what you've said, and you've been assigned a score for the security risk you pose on some covert list.

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            • Whatintarnation

              I actually enjoyed reading that. To bad the person you are arguing with is a dimwit.

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            • Lol really? Sociopathic? Lmao.😂

              Anyways, I guess you sort of make a good point on the consequences of 9/11. I still stand by my opinion though.

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          • MonteMetcalfe

            It does effect your life, for whatever reason you're not able to see or understand it.

            You have much to learn about life.

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            • Excuse my ignorance on that part.

              Yes, you are right. I guess it sort of had an impact because of the consequences of it. Once again, I still stand by my opinion though.

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      • LloydAsher

        Shit you really dont see the ripples in the water when something splashes do you. 21 years is minor when it comes to injustices. Well flip open our textbooks (or whatever analog learning tech) 200 years from now and still be teaching it.

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        • Yes, and I did some thinking. I get your point.

          I don't know, I personally don't really care about it. Everyone else is free to dwell on it though.

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          • LloydAsher

            That's fine. That your view. If you live to being 100. You will find way more people with your world view. Unfortunately they will be the ilk within the worst of society.

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            • "The worst of society".

              Give me a break. You're acting as if someone who has a viewpoint like me is a menace to society.😂Also, I can name people way worse than someone like me. Child molesters? Zoophiles? Necrophiliacs?

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  • 1WeirdGuy

    9/11 changed the whole world. This is the reason for the refugee crisis in europe and the state of the middle east. Also the onset of authoritarian policies and governments spying on everyone.

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    • The government and the CIA would spy on you regardless.

      And still. It doesn't matter.

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      • 1WeirdGuy

        In the USA we have the 4th amendment which makes it illegal for law enforcement to just search through your records without a warrant. But the "patriot act" allowed government to violate all that in the name of safety over liberty. This program was created because of 9/11 to spy on terrorists. Edward Snowden blew the whistle on this program and explained how when he worked for the CIA he could type anyones name in a box and he could read all of their emails or could watch a live feed from their webcam at anytime he wanted and this was available to CIA members with his clearance.

        They then changed the law after backlash which forced the CIA to go to fisa court and get a warrant. However it later came out that this court is useless and almost 100% of the warrants requested are given. Its used so much that Donald Trumps whole team was spied on for their entire campaign and even continued to be after he was elected president. And the program is actually unconstitutional because previous supreme court rulings have ruled it violates the 4th amendment to gather private personal records of people without a warrant. Without 9/11 the patriot act wouldnt have been approved.

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        • Oh well.

          Still doesn't matter.

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  • sweetone89

    I think a lot has to do with the trauma and pain certain events cause. Intergenerational trauma.

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    • First off, the people that talk about slavery weren't even alive when it happened. As for 9/11, if something that happened 21 years ago that shocked the whole world had nothing to do with you, then I don't see the point in caring for it. Sure, these events caused a lot of trauma and pain, but if something that happened so many years ago had nothing to do with you, then I still don't see a reason to care for it. No matter how much pain, trauma, and shock something caused, it's in the past. Caring for it is pointless.

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      • olderdude-xx

        People care because it changed our society. Not all of those changes were positive.

        Those of us that remember prior to 9/11, and experienced 9/11 and the immediate aftermath... care because we remember how much it affected us.

        I'm also old enough to remember exactly where I was and the shock of the John F Kennedy Presidential Assassination (I was in class in 2nd grade: Someone from the School office came in and told the teacher that JFK had been assassinated; our lessons for the rest of the day were canceled to talk about current events).

        My next major memory was the Apollo Moon Landing in 1969.

        I also have a distinct memory about 3 Mile Island in 1979. An advantage was that a number of my shipmates had exited the US Navy Nuclear Program after serving in Nuclear powered ships and they could describe what must be happening by the reported gasses that were detected. A decade of so later when they opened the Containment Building those descriptions I heard in our ship's berthing compartment lounge proved to be true - a partial meltdown.

        Finally I remember the Challenger Explosion in 1986.

        Nothing so major (to me) since then.

        Virtually every one cares about major events that impact the world when they live through them.

        You will remember and care about certain events in the future that happen while you are alive... Then you will understand.

        Peace

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        • Wow, okay, you only care since it affects YOU. It's really about you. Is that what you're saying?

          And it doesn't matter. I will never be able to understand being stuck on something that happened 21 years ago. I get that a lot of people died and terrorist attacks are something major, but still. Being stuck on something that long ago?

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          • olderdude-xx

            Who says that we are stuck on it. We remember it... and you will also remember major events in your life.

            There are 2 kinds of such events:

            1) Things that happen in the world that affect the world (not just me).

            2) Things that you participated at that bring peak experiences in your life (good and bad).

            IN the later category (and focusing on the good) was when I was an Official at an Olympics (which was above the feelings I had when I was at 2 World Championships. 2nd was watching the most beautiful sunset I have ever seen - and the most brilliant sunrise the next morning from a certain mountain top. 3rd was finding the love of my life and marrying her. There are many more.

            Yes, these are all personal memories about things I have experienced. You too will remember your peak personal memories that happen in your life.

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  • Tommythecaty

    Op doesn’t understand cause and effect.

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    • I didn't think about the effects at first.

      Sorry for my ignorance I guess.

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  • jodi1955

    if you forget the past then you will repeat the past, one needs to remember what happen in history to make sure we dont make the same mistakes again. take Hitler he killed millions of people and had torture them in camps, if we forget that then it will happen again. and from the way this country is going we are well on our way to it, reason, no history taught as it happened as we dont want to offend someone, history is not offensive its fact!

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    • It would still happen regardless.

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  • jackstormwater

    None of the crashes that happen “every day” kill as many people as 9/11…

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    • LloydAsher

      Not just the people damage. The collateral damage to both physical objects and the humiliation of being struck on home territory. America cannot be invaded. So it was out of peoples heads that we could be attacked in our everyday civilian lives. 9/11 changed that. Now every plane, every transport, every object that used to not be a concerning vehicle became a weapon that a bunch of zealots could use against every day people. To kill because we are evil in their fucked up religious zealotry.

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      • It is what it is.

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    • Okay, so it really matters about how MANY people died, not that someone died.

      Also, yeah it didn't, but 9/11 was twenty years ago, car crashes are still happening today. It doesn't matter how many people died.

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      • Boojum

        I'm still trying to figure out if you're being deliberately obtuse, or if you simply fail to grasp the concept that the world we live in now has been shaped by literally everything that came before.

        You keep mentioning car crashes, so I'll go with that as an example of what I mean.

        One day in 1955, an actor named James Dean set off in his Porsche to drive from LA to Salinas. He was driving like the idiot he was, smashed into a car that turned into the highway ahead of him and was killed. Dean had a huge number of fans, but boo-hoo, right? Just another car crash. Just another dead dude. Just another stupid movie star gone. Loads more of them from wherever they come from.

        But what we cannot know is how our lives might be drastically different if that single event - trivial in the cosmic scheme of things - hadn't happened. For all we know, if that accident hadn't required a tow truck to be called out into the middle of nowhere, the driver might have gone home at his normal time, shagged his wife and a child might have been born who grew up to have a huge impact - for good or for evil - on your life. Or, for all you know, your grandmother might have been distraught at learning of Dean's death, your grandfather's comforting of her led from one thing to another, and the result was the birth of your mother.

        Or how about trivial car-related incident - turning a car around by reversing into a side street. One particular car performing this manoeuvre directly lead to a cataclysmic war, the results of which are still being felt today. Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary was visiting Sarajevo in 1914, and a bunch of nationalist fuckwits decided it would be a great idea to assassinate him. Since they were incompetent fuckwits, the grenade they tossed at his car as he was driven by just bounced off. The nationalist arsewipes decided to have another go, so they set up another ambush a couple of hours later, but Ferdinand's return route had been changed and he didn't appear. So they gave up on trying to murder people for the day and went to have a coffee. Unfortunately, another fuckwit on Ferdinand's staff didn't tell his driver about this change in the route. When he was told about it they were already on the road, so the driver stopped, reversed down a side street to turn around, and came to a halt just a couple of metres away from the cafe table where the chief nationalist fuckwit just happened to be sitting (another trivial choice). Unfortunately, while the fuckwit was far too dim to even begin to grasp the possible consequences of his actions, he did know which pocket he'd left his gun in, he did know how to operate it and he wasn't a terrible shot when the target was at point-blank range. Ferdinand and his wife died, and within a few weeks, almost every European country had been drawn into war by the complex interactions of various treaties of mutual support. Just over four years later, around 20 million people were dead.

        You may prefer to believe that everything is as it is because that's the way it was always meant to be - a sort of cosmic predestination - but there's far too much random shit constantly happening for that to be true, and even seemingly trivial events do have drastic, far reaching consequences.

        The 9/11 attacks on the USA were deeply traumatic for many Americans and shocking to many around the world. It wasn't so much the body-count (the daily death-toll for Covid has equalled or surpassed that number for long stretches of the last couple of years, and a lot of Americans are completely blasé about that), but the brazen impunity of a group of nuts with box-cutters being able to use one iconic example of American technological superiority to obliterate another iconic example of American wealth, power and global status and murder a random bunch of nearly 3,000 Americans who were just getting on with their lives and trying to earn their daily bread.

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        • Well, I guess you are right.

          Excuse my ignorance.

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  • horny_simpletons

    It may not have personally affected you but a lot of people lost a loved one that day. If you have a family member or friend that passed away I'm sure you still think about them, right?

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    • It depends on who the family member is.

      And yes, I am aware.

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  • I can assure you that this isn't any attempt at being "edgy". That is not my intention.

    Also, I never said that.

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    • LloydAsher

      How shadow the hedgehog of you

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      • Shadow the hedgehog is cool.

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        • LloydAsher

          Exactly

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          • ...Are you saying I'm saying all this to look cool?

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            • LloydAsher

              You sound like a kid who skips history because of some rationalization that you are smarter than entire societies of people.

              I'm of the perception of history tends to repeat itself and those who do not see the patterns are the first people who get victimized by the major danger.

              The mere notion of trying to forget the past for any reason is insulting on so many levels, both intellectually and morally.

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  • bbrown95

    It doesn't matter how long ago something happened, tragedy is tragedy. 9/11 caused immense grief and horror for many people that they'll carry with them throughout their lives.

    I don't believe anyone ignores today's tragedies. 9/11 just happened to be one of the most severe ones throughout history.

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    • Yes, tragedy is tragedy, but I see no point in caring for a tragedy that was so long ago, especially if you had nothing to do with it.

      Please, there are a lot of tragedies that still go on today, and either people pay attention to it temporarily, or don't pay attention at all. How many people do you hear talking about car accidents? Lots of tragedies that happen today go ignored.

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      • bbrown95

        The amount of time ago that it happened makes no difference in the effect it had/has on people. It was also recent enough that many people alive remember it well and exactly where they were when they learned about it, and remember the implications very well. It had an effect on everyone who is old enough to remember it who was in the US at the time (not sure how it affected those in other countries). I was only 6 and it still sends chills down my spine.

        Comparing a car accident to 9/11 is a bit of a stretch, TBH. Not that a car accident isn't a tragedy in and of itself that will deeply affect those close to the lives lost, but a terrorist attack that killed 3,000 people is a much rarer, more memorable tragedy that affected an entire country at least. Car accidents are unfortunately quite frequent and typically don't affect as many people (sad, but true; if everyone in the world were deeply affected by a single death or injury, there would never be room for happiness; plus, there's no way anyone could remember every single car accident that ever happened).

        I also wouldn't say car accidents and other tragedies are completely ignored. Where I live, the public talks about local ones all the time, and also ones that make the national news such as pileups. In fact, there was a deadly pileup that happened in 2000 near where I live that is still brought up from time to time. I still remember some of the deadly ones I've driven past the scenes of, and another thing that still sends chills up my spine years later is the I-35W bridge collapse in 2007, which I watched the aftermath of from the TV at my friends' house. Same with the pedestrian bridge collapse from a few years ago, and the Miami condo collapse just this past year (which sickened me and reminded me of 9/11 in a way). The Hyatt Regency balcony collapse of 1981 is another that still gets brought up frequently here in the Midwest US, and I know people who were first responders there.

        In fact, there have been three bad accidents at the intersection just outside my house in just the past year, and there has been a lot of discussion about it locally. There were people holding signs and decorating memorials just the other day.

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        • The shock and the trauma caused by it makes no difference. It makes no difference in how long ago it was. Not vice versa. Plus, at the end of the day, it's really only the loved ones of the people that died it truly affects, not the people that just learned about it.

          So, really, it isn't the pain and trauma that an event caused, it's how many people that were affected by it? Is that what you're saying? And it makes no sense for the many freak accidents that happen today not to affect someone, but something that happened so many years ago matters more? Oh yeah, makes total sense. Look, I get what you are saying, but still.

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          • bbrown95

            I beg to differ. The shock and trauma caused by it makes a lot of difference, and the amount of time that has passed does have some significance, as the majority of people alive today are old enough to remember it. 50+ years from now, it might be a different story and will likely be treated as another historical event like WWII, etc.

            It absolutely does have to do with the pain and trauma, just on a much larger scale. That isn't to say a tragedy that involved less people is any less of a tragedy, like I said. However, something that happens regularly and affects a smaller group of people each time it does unfortunately is not going to stick with people the same as something like 9/11. I don't make the rules, that is just how it is. Like I said, there's no way people can remember every car accident that has ever happened. They unfortunately occur on a regular basis and one accident cannot affect an entire country unless it is a massive pileup or an important public figure (as unfortunate as that is, again, that is just the way the world works, nothing that we can do about it).

            Those freak accidents do affect people, but mostly those who were close to the victims or the local community. If we were as affected by every tragic event that happened across the world as we are by a huge terrorist attack that claimed thousands of lives, we would constantly be in a state of mourning. The world is simply too big, we cannot mourn every loss the same.

            I'm not saying 9/11 matters more, as that is completely subjective to the individual person. However, it did affect many, many more people.

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            • Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter how many people died. It doesn't matter how many people remember it. The trauma and pain a shocking event caused doesn't matter. It's in the past and nobody can change anything that happened. It was just another meaningless tragedy that happened long ago that shocked the whole world. Case closed.

              Also, the people that died were going to die eventually. Plus, they were living stupid meaningless lives. They're death was meaningless. Rest their souls, but they were just another human being that passed. It is what it is.

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  • The long lasting affects of an event doesn't matter. It's in the past.

    Too bad to forget? Please. It's nothing more than meaningless bullshit that happened many years ago.

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