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I am doing a socratic seminar next Wednesday and I would like to use a survey for some information. My question is " do you think women should be allowed to participate in military combat?". Please vote and explain in comments. Thank you sooooo much!!! You are helping me a lot.
| yes | 39 | |
| no | 7 |
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Yes and no.
My initial thought is "Hell yeah. If they can fufil the requirements then there's no reason why they shouldn't."
However now I'm sitting here watching a lot, if not most women fail the requirements but then we have all these idiots coming out saying we should lower the requirements for women, which seems to happen every damn time women fail their tests.
There definitely are women out there that can meet the requirements and they do but there are also those that don't and then try to make it so that soldiers are weaker just so they can participate.
So overall I want women to be able to do it if they can do it but the fact that by letting them even try results in this whole "lower the ability of our soldiers!" whenenver an amount of women fail in meeting the requirements.
In America they've started lowering the requirements for physical tests for BOTH genders. The obesity problem has made it necessary or 70% of recruits would fail out.
Serious? I've heard they're lowering for women exclusively but perhaps that's on top of the lowering it for the obesity thing?
That's pretty damn terrible. Ta for telling me that. :)
I've read that in 10-20 years America will have a very difficult time fielding an actual ground infantry fighting force. Now it may not matter what with technology but I still think that is pretty ridiculous.
And living here I can honestly say this makes a lot of sense based on my observations.
My sentiments exactly, but it helps if I do have random opinion/ survey to kinda back me up
Absolutely, any man or woman should be allowed to be considered for combat. I do not think they should lower standards for qualification, though. When in a firefight, you have to have confidence that all of your fellow soldiers can do what's required - carry heavy supplies, keep up, carry a wounded soldier, etc. Soldiers who can't keep up are a danger to themselves and their unit.
Women think differently than men and could bring a valuable diversity in strategic thinking on the battlefield. And there are all kinds of "combat" roles suitable for smaller, less physically able men and women, like drone pilots and other roles less prone to close quarters combat.
yeah, why is this even a debate? the ban has already been lifted in the US and they are allowed in Sweden, Norway, Canada, Israel, germany, france and denmark. with exception to submarines which is only allowed by Norway. where do you live where this debate is still going on?
of course women should be allowed to participate but only if they step up their game. give them the same training (or on a TINY bit lower level)as men and if some of them can't handle them, kick them out. we won't find many women who can endure it but it's about giving women the opportunity to prove us wrong, i'm sure we will find our brienne of tarths soon.
No doubt in my mind the legitamate answer is "yes". It should be so that if the HUMAN BEING can meet the requirements (set equally for both genders), then that HUMAN BEING should be able to par-take.
Instead, the notion seems to be that if the MAN can meet the set requirments, then that MAN can par-take. If you're a women, regardless if you're able, then tough shit.
A penis shouldn't be a requirment for involvment in military combat. End of.
They already are. Civvies don't recognize that seeing and participating in combat ops is soooooooo so so so so SO not exclusive to combat MOSs. Women have been combatants almost as long as they've been able to fill non-medical MOSs.
No, I don't believe combat MOSs should lower their standards for anyone and yes, women should be allowed to try for them. Having women in the field is a serious tactical advantage because male troops can't make contact with females in the middle east - it's considered insulting to their husbands and it's morally reprehensible. With a woman on your team, you now have 100% of the population to communicate with as opposed to 50%.
That's it. Women do high quality work and low quality work. Same as men. I'm one of the best mechanics at my unit, I've been told that if we had to go overseas tomorrow, I'd be the first choice to go. It took a long time but I proved to them that the quality of my work is not contingent on my sex and yes, it was tough to do. Soldiers first, males and females second. That's what we are told.
RE: your first paragraph-
Is it true that females who do participate in combat can't get promoted (based on their combat action) or get certain combat-related decorations because of the fact that they are officially barred from combat jobs? I read that somewhere, I think on a military site, and it seems like lifting the ban would not only allow women to choose combat jobs but also give the proper recognition to those who did, or will, end up in combat no matter their specialty.
Depends. I feel the same regarding men. Like if both oarwnts are in the military, they both should not be in combat. Or maybe that is already a thing and I just dont know.
I don't think women should be allowed to participate in military or law enforcement, at least not in an armed capacity.
The day we start letting women in the infantry division, is the day our army becomes dramatically weaker physically and emotionally.
Capt. Katie Petronio says women have no place in the Marine Corps infantry.
She was compelled to write what became a widely cited article in the privately published Marine Corps Gazette provocatively titled “Get Over It! We Are Not All Created Equal.”
The article details her personal experiences during deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, making the case that the physical rigors of infantry are not for women.
My sister was a cop and underwent the exact same training as all the other RCMP officers that were male. She policed a Mennonite and Native community. The Mennonites didn't respect her because she wore pants and not skirts. Their opinion makes as much sense as yours and is just as irrelevant.
The fact that no one ever says "should men be doing these jobs" when there are plenty of cases of men, in a variety of jobs, fucking up royally, proves how ridiculous this notion is.
How about men and women shouldn't be in combat because war is pointless and waged for the interests of rich people who don't care about how many of them die?
Haha, yeah, woman can "play cop" with a ride along male partner.
This is the type of thing that happens when women try to cowboy up.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnUYKFU0OqM" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnUYKFU0OqM</a>
Here's a female cop who should and would be dead if not for some extreme fortune of a random male citzen coming over to rescue her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlvOeNwBvmU
Lol feminists. When are you bimbos going to accept the fact that you're physically weak?
She never had a male partner while she was on duty and your puny anecdotal and isolated examples aren't evidence of anything but your inherent sexism and ability to use google to fit your agenda.
Male cops have their weapons stolen and are overpowered by suspects all the time. All these male cops running around shooting innocent people because of their volatile emotions and testosterone. Male cops raping female suspects in custody because their primitive brains can't be in close vicinity to a female without turning them into a savage. Male cops pulling people over for no reason so they can search vehicles and write fraudulent tickets to feed the status quo and kiss government ass, because they lack any ability to reason independently. I think they need a woman to ride along and show them how things are done.
See how that made you feel? See how ridiculous that sounds? That's what you guys sound like every time you make your ridiculous sexist statements.
It goes both ways dude. Your gender isn't perfect and makes terrible fuck ups on a daily basis. The difference is no one's saying it's because you're a man and they make excuses for your behavior that you eat up. If a woman does something wrong, men like you lose their minds and attribute it to the fact that they're female. So pathetically ignorant. When are you going to accept that men and women are humans that make mistakes because they are human, not because of their genitals.
Your sister was very lucky then.
Call it sexist all you want, in my opinion I'm looking out for women in that opinion.
Are you denying the fact that women are physiologically weaker than man?
What would you do if a 6'0 200 lb felon attack you? Went for your gun? Have you put yourself in that position in your mind? I seriously doubt you could stop him by yourself.. so you're gonna get hurt badly or worse..
I could fight him off.. i'm big enough, you're very unlikely to be.
It's science. Deal with it.
Unless you are like Ronda Rousey or something? Are you a master martial artist? and peak athlete? Most women aren't either.
My sister was very lucky she wasn't stuck riding with male rapists with badges and testosterone fueled murderers looking to instigate trouble.
I'd take him down in the same way I've taken down drunk men twice my size on two different occasions. A swift kick to the balls followed by a sock in the jaw. Did the trick both times for me and they were the one's who instigated the fight and were coming after me.
It seems like you think brute strength automatically means you'll win a fight. You're wrong. Everyone has pressure points and similar vulnerabilities physiologically. I've seen small guys (and women) drop men who were over 200 pounds because of the placement of their punch.
Men are definitely physically stronger (in general) than women. But the assumption that this means every man can beat every woman in a fight is ridiculous and complete nonsense. You fail to consider agility, intelligence, speed, knowledge of physiology, and control of one's emotional state and adrenaline levels. But thats just because your argument is unscientific.
Ever gotten a punch to the carotid artery? It'll crumble you like a sack of potatoes. You need to educate yourself instead of being so blinded by your sexist blinders of the world. You're so disgustingly cocky it's not even funny. You sound exactly like the arrogant dudes I dropped. And believe me, I was more surprised than they were but it was a pretty great moment to watch an entire bar laugh their ass off at the big man who got taken out by the weak woman haha
Speaking as someone who has actually been in a combat situation I think this is an interesting question.
Battle is a very fluid situation, it's difficult to describe as time seems to speed up and slow down at the same time. Now I've met women who are some pretty tough ladies and I've known plenty who aren't. Same goes for men.
There are women who can easily handle themselves in combat. The problem with this whole question relates back to political correctness in general. If the woman can physically handle an O course, has the aptitude and leadership ability than she would do fine.
Unfortunately the average woman is not suited for that.
Thank you guys sooooo much!!! This will help me a lot!! I'm gonna get a 100%
I should have my brothers answer this. They were both in the Marines. Ive heard them discussing it and they say no, for the most part. I forget details.
There are women who absolutely can do it. Take Ronda Rousey for example (UFC women's champion) she'd eat up an O course.
Than you have say Kate Upton. She wouldn't last a day (probably anyway as idk her because she won't answer my phone calls)
The problem arises when politicians blindly make the decision that they both can do it and that's that. Because we have to be politically correct. And this is very dangerous because lives very literally hang in the balance.
Oh I'd grapple with her for sure..There definitely are women who can do it and plenty who can't but want to just to be an equal. Barf and bullshit. When we went to see my older bro graduate he was telling us about this one chick who had been there for a while. She kept failing and trying again and again. 3 times I think she failed, this was in '99 and my memory is poop. I don't know how I feel about that. Props for trying or just give up already? Is there a limit?? I don't know much about these things.
Kate Upton...if I hear or see that name one more time -_- when I go down to the basement later I'll tell her you said hi.
Yeah, it's a real gray area. If you don't have the ability you just don't have it. Nothing is gonna make it suddenly be there.
Our culture seems to be getting further and further away from rewarding those that actually earn it to rewarding based on traits that have no business being rewarded.