Would ussr have lost to germany if it wasn't for their numerical advantage?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but to me, it seems like the Nazis had quality on their side, whereas the USSR had quantity on their side. If an equal number of Nazis and Soviets fought each other, I just can't see the USSR winning. What do you think of all of this?

Yeah, the USSR won because of their numerical advantage 12
No, they would have won even if it wasn't for their quantity 4
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  • PurpleHoneycomb

    We're just lucky Hitler didn't manage to be allies with Stalin.

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    • bigbudchonger

      He did originally. They divded up Poland between them, but then Hitler betrayed him.

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  • Shouldn't have fought in the first place. Both hitler and stalin were dictators, they should have joined hands and killed millions(or billions) more.

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  • 1WeirdGuy

    The Nazis were drunk on success. They had taken France with ease which arguably had a better military than the soviet union. They thought the blitzkrieg method would take the soviets quickly

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  • olderdude-xx

    The real reason Russia won was because the USA started to supply Russia with various things.

    In addition to military supplies the USA also supplied food which prevented mass starvation.

    Without the USA supplies Germany would have been able to conquer Russia.

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  • bigbudchonger

    "Quanity has a quality all of it's own" Joseph Stalin.

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  • DADNSCAL

    No. Russians soldiers were fighting for their homeland. The Wehrmacht, who weren’t all Nazis, were fighting for a criminal madman.

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    • Implying that Stalin wasn't a madman.

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      • DADNSCAL

        Not at all.

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        • LOL He was a madman in every sense of the word! Over 20 million people died because of his policies in the USSR. Even his own party members were scared shitless by him. Hell, that dude even sent his own son to the gulags.

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          • DADNSCAL

            You’re missing the point. Soviet soldiers still believed in their cause, despite Joe Stalin’s atrocities.

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            • Dunno. The Germans were severely brainwashed into wanting to avenge WW1 though, so maybe they believed their cause too?

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  • LloydAsher

    Hitler was an abhorrent general when it came to strategic planning. Attacking russia in winter? Didnt set his army up for success there. Not to mention picking a fight with the Soviets to begin with. A two front war is a hell of a lot more complicated to do than a single front.

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    • Tommythecaty

      Because Hitler wasn’t really planning shit, he was the chancellor elect.

      That would be people like Himmler, Eichmann, Goering, Goebbels, ect. Bormann also was quietly controlling a lot of information. He was surrounded by the least trustworthy people in the fucking world, it’s almost comical at certain points.

      If you hire a bunch of psychopaths to run things they’re going to fuck it up, they have terrible deficits when it comes to long term strategising. It defines a lot of the behaviours that are seen in the disorder.

      It’s such a dumb move, it’s hilarious. When your groups ideology is psychopathic then you are doomed to fuck up eventually. Waste all your resources on genocide, rather than simply fighting the war then picking up the genocide AFTER.

      Bunch of idiots in the end.

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      • LloydAsher

        Never really learned about the nazi power structures. Didnt really care, but now I'm intrested. How much of the goverment/military did hitler actually control/knew of.

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        • Tommythecaty

          Oh it’s really interesting, the guys right below him are the biggest bunch of scumbags imaginable.

          Essentially he has say on everything, but it’s all filtered through these guys. They come up with the plans and he more or less just views them and says yes or no. If they even brought them to him at all.

          Our generals and planners aren’t likely to bother the head of state as to weather they can engage in, militarily during war, this action or that action. It’s their job to decide the best course in those times. They just sort it themselves and report on its success or failure. Only when human rights are involved does it really need to go higher, and since the nazis weren’t exactly concerned with that...

          Some of them injected whatever they wanted into the information.

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          • LloydAsher

            That's what I kinda expected. Though I do know that americans in ww2 fought fundamentally different from the germans. Enough where I heard that they used to tell german soldiers to "look where you least expect americans because that's where they will come from"

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    • But then again, the soviet strategy was basically just throwing corpses at the invading germans.

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    • Yeah, Hitler was pretty incompetent. He didn't allow troops to retreat for some reason.

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