Is it normal that i think rape is no big deal?

you know, anal prostate stimulation is generally seen as intensily positive and sexual act across men of all genders.

It's part of sex play as well as medicinal or massage elements, and some men even had a physical orgasm against their will from prostate stimulation.

So yes, unless i get to exactly choose the partner, it's quite exactly the same thing. So go ahead and think about how great it would be to be anally raped yourself by someone strong enough you can't fight back, that will cause you pain if you try to fight, possibly kill you after the deed, and leave you bleeding in the gutter. Sounds fun, hu?

"That said, I'm trying to understand why people, especially women, act like being forced to have sex is so horrible?"

Because you're thinking of sex from your own body's point of view and not from a woman's point of view.

And you've read an article or two where women have confessed to having an orgasm during rape. So therefore that means they liked it right?

What you're overlooking is this.

Rapists use pain, force, fear, and the threat of death or even worse pain, or damage to get their victims to comply. They do NOT try to get their victims juiced up and horny first. They don't care if the victim is ready or not.

Women need to be prepared first. Some need more & some need less before the vaginal canal is wet and expanded enough to allow for penetration. Thrusting in too soon will hurt. This can include internal damage depending on how hard he is thrusting.

Now you also claimed some women "liked" it because they came. That's a fallacy. Having an orgasm during rape just means that your body worked as it's suppose to. It doesn't imply that she suddenly became willing.

And of course, you're perhaps assuming rapists will just hump the victim a bit and leave. Not always. Some rapists don't stop with their first orgasm. Or care whether or not the victims require medical help. Or even let them live.

Not to mention that rapists target people who may be helpless to escape. Such as children, elderly, etc.

And the major part you're forgetting is... rape really isn't about sex. it's about control. and achieving that control through pain and torture.

and you wonder why it's such a big thing...

This makes me sad. I can't even begin to comprehend how someone could think like this of such a thing..

A family member of mine was actually raped, 2 years ago.

She was only 16 at that moment, as a 28 year old man sneaked inside her house while the family slept, and raped her in her own bedroom.

She stopped going to school, and her family had to move because she was too scared to sleep anymore.

The man who did it lived only a few streets away at that moment. He hadn't been send to jail, because the girl was too scared to tell the police who it was.

She never goes outside the house, because she's scared she'll run into him and everything will happen all over again. She doesn't have any friends anymore, and only trusts her family.

Basically, her whole life now runs only on fear. Fear of men, fear of the outside world. Actually fear of everything.

Yeah, rape is no big deal.

Bend over and I will show you what the 'big deal' is...

"it's not fair, and you are taking away their choice, their consent, and violating their body and their rights"

Tell me again how this is anything other than a big deal? And how that suddenly becomes okay in your mind so long as they feel physical pleasure?

I'll explain what I think is going on in your mind. You're into forced sex. I won't demonise that; everyone has their turn-ons and you can't help them. What's happened to you is that by fantasising about it you've become desentsitised to the pain of the rape victim. Why do you think rape isn't shown graphically on mainstream media? It's to stop more people becoming desensitised to it like you are.

You talk about some women "enjoying it". While their bodies may suggest they are enjoying it, that does not mean they are not psychologically scarred. People are complex; what their bodies involuntarily suggest does not strictly indicate what they feel. You fail to distinguish between physical and psychological pleasure, and you also fail to distinguish between physical and psychological trauma. Physical pain is not required to feel psychological pain and visa versa. The reason I don't think you see this is the same reason why you don't think it's a big deal: you're desensitised.

Also, what Angel says about rape being about control and not sex is absolutely true. It's the reason why rape against men is really no different than rape against women; it's all about the theft of power, from one person to another. It's why people can't just "get over it"; because it isn't about the pain, or the sex with someone you didn't choose. It's about someone else making the choice to do whatever they want to you, whether you like it or not, and no matter how hard you try you're not going to escape, no matter how much you beg it won't make a difference, and for no reason better than because you were randomly selected. More people need to that realise that is the main problem with rape. A few seconds of physical pleasure you didn't even want and felt in spite of yourself are nothing, NOTHING compared to that loss of power and control over the only thing you'll own for life: your own body.

So you found it unfortunate we wouldn't give you a serious answer. Very well. I hadn't done so simply because I found your proposition idiotic and did not wish to waste minutes of my life on your twisted logic. As a rule, I have no interest in debating with anyone who lacks empathy. But to address your topic, chop a woman's leg off and she'll recover, adapt, and start living with her new prosthetic leg in no time, but don't fucking rape her. It destroys her soul.

I really think you're mixing this up with Role-Playing (BDSM). In a real life situation, consent isn't given and it is very serious.

Men can also be raped- stiffy and all. The reason it's so taboo is because it is indeed not pleasurable- even if a physical orgasm is present. It's classified violent for it's bodily intrusiveness. Violence does not have to leave bruises. The penetration and restraint is as violent as a child being struck and not bruised.

As for "WhyI'm trying to understand why people, especially women, act like being forced to have sex is so horrible?"
You couldn't really understand fully if it hasn't happened to you.
Imagine a really big lady with zits on her ass and face and a a shit stain on her pants. Now imagine she drugged you with viagra, you've just popped a woody, and she's jumping on top of you- saggy tits exposed and all.
Now, you're unable to get the bitch off of you. You're screaming bloody murder, nobody can hear you, and she's saying in your ear "If you ever tell anybody I'll kill you."
Now tell me you wouldn't wish God strike her dead to make her stop.

I haven;t read all of the comments, just the top few, but there seems to be some confusion about the seriousness of this crime in your mind. Either that, or bias has clouded your human empathy.

Firstly, we're not talking about fantasy, we're talking about actuality. Therefore the fantasy is irrelevant, and focus must shift on actual cases. I'm not going to bore you with stories, as it would be pointless.

A lack of empathy for the psychological and/or physical suffering of another human being is a form of psychopathy. People who function according to societies rules need empathy, and as a species, we have used it as a tool to aid our evolution and survival. We need to procreate, which is undoubtably a deep need. Your post doesn't betray a love of the power of rape (where the perpetrator may regret their crime immediately afterwards), but does betray a refusal to acknowledge or understand the psychological consequences on the psyche of the victim, and as such, is a little more dangerous.

We also need to group together to survive. That need is as deep, and has ensured our survival. We are sociable animals. Without that sociability, we would die, and those born without that kind of empathy (outside of a battle situation) have been ostracized from society. The evolutionary rule is that if you cannot function within a species parameters, you do not deserve to be a part of it.

This is not an emotional stance. It's a logical evolutionary one.

Using this logic, and the apparent willful lack of understanding (albiet biased because of your 'friend'), I see your reasoning as utterly flawed on the deepest human levels.

I hope your views evolve with time, as in this case, I cannot regard you as a properly functioning member of the human race.

I also doubt my comment will stay, but I didn't insult you intentionally, just stated facts.

I think you are confusing "rape" with submissive/domination sex play. Some people enjoy this. Rape is a violation and an attempt to take power from someone. If you give them this power, you are just a sub playing your role. Rape is not play. And it is not intended to give the other person enjoyment.

No big deal? Fuck that I would kill if somebody raped me! And somebody rapes other people makes me wanna kill them...

I don't even know what to say to this. Rapists, child molesters, people like this don't get nearly a serious enough punishment for the damage that they inflict on their victims. The motivation behind rape, I do not even understand, has to be as sick and perverse as the act itself.

Your logic may work if your brain was put into a woman's body and that body was raped. But female feelings and responses regarding their own bodies are vastly different than your feelings and responses. In fact, it would probably horrify most women to realise there are men who'd trivialise rape.

Someone spends a little too much time fantasizing about rape. Have you considered another pastime, something more benign like stamp collecting or numismatics?

Lets not forget that some people value their chastity or some shit. Some people are old-fashioned like that and want to save their first kiss, their virginity - WHATEVER, - for a person they love.

And as someone else said here, it destroys the soul because it shows the women the cold hard facts they all try to avoid - we are and always will be inferior to men.

Why do you think parents tell their kids it's wrong to hit a girl? BECAUSE GIRLS ARE WEAKER.

It's like, you'd fight her but it wouldn't be fair on her side since she's naturally weaker, therefore if you picked on her, "just cuz", you'd be a douche. Guys fighting guys, girls fighting girls is perfectly alright, because it's a fair fight.

I mean any GOOD soldier, unless aiming to kill the enemy on sight, wouldn't be such a LOSER and so PATHETIC as to fight what's weaker.

Unless it's some sadistic bitch then whatevs.

And don't yo or anyone else DARE say that "rape is animalistic" and, "oh, many animals like birds and frogs mount female animals when they get the chance to show dominance", because YES, they ARE animals but they are not on the same intellectual level as us! As much as I love my cat animals like her are at a lower mindset level and so all they (usually) really think about is surviving and reproducing - I'm not saying every animal is like that though.

So you have a rape fetish. Big deal. I personally have it too, but I'm not going to waltz into a dark alley and flash a painted-on tramp stamp.

I don't care that you like rape. It's good that you don't act on it, and I sure as fuck hope you never do. What DOES bother me is that you see ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with it at all.

you are an idiot !!!you'll end up doing jail time for rape, and your defence will be I was trying to show her a good time

Smh.

I'm not the only one! ♫ Rape me... Rape me my friend... ♫

OK let me help you out. You see some scientists are now saying that men and women are actually different. That was sarcasm in case you didn't catch it. 1. Men in order to get off only requires a physical act, for women however, it requires a state of mind coupled with the physical act. Aka, in order for a woman to enjoy sex, it is 90% mental. In her head. If she is not in the right head space, it is a no go for her, or worse, a scar from which she will never recover. 2. Men are brusque, crass, rough, and far stronger physically then women so able to do considerable damage if they chose to and tactless (tactless means they see no reason to treat us as if we have any honor), women are soft, sweet, weaker then men physically, and kind. Now of course if you a man who sees no problem with rape, were to be raped by something sweet, sweet smelling, soft, kind, and curvy, of course you would have no problem with it. But that is not who women are raped by, we are raped by the a fore mentioned. The “ brusque, crass, rough, and far stronger physically then women so able to do considerable damage if they chose to and tactless” Let me put it in terms you will understand, would you rather be raped by a runway model, or a bald motorcyclist male named Mo who forced you over a garbage can and shoved his dick up your ass with no lube. I would guess the former. And last but not least, 3. unlike a man who again only requires the physical act to get off, a woman, as I mentioned before, must be in the right head space to be turned on , and therefore lubricated enough for the forced incursion not to hurt like hell. When a woman is raped, do you know what lubricates him? Blood. Lots of blood. And sometimes his spit. And last but not least, it is the fact that a rape means he sees her as something that belongs to him, aka, she is his slave, he rapes her because he thinks she has no right to say no, much like property, like an animal. Get it now?

Oh, so I guess all those flashbacks were just me being whiny.

Woah woah woah...I'm not going to lie, I'd gladly take part in role-play rape & I do crack the odd joke about the subject. However, I find your thoughts on the matter disgusting. I think 6 years for rape is getting off lightly. It's all circumstantial, but I do believe rapists and child abusers can be more of a threat to the public than some murderers, so I find that average sentence disturbing.

hmm. it looks like my other post isn't here. either buried under "more comments" or deleted perhaps.

Anyway, the other thing to consider about rape is that it is NOT only male-on-female. Men can rape other men. Women can rape women or men as well.

And really, for men it's a big deal to be raped too.
They aren't taken seriously - and if they were raped by a female they'll probably be laughed at. When it comes to anti-rape marches their own ordeals are ignored or trivialized.

Plus there's the stigma that "men can't be raped" because they're always willing to get laid, right?

And for both genders... the myth that you must have wanted it if you orgasmed. The truth of it is, a forced orgasm often hurts the healing process the victim goes through. It adds a layer of confusion and unease to the act.

Regarding rapists going on the register and serving a long sentence in prison..... If they don't want the time then don't do the fucking crime......they deserve more than a stretch inside. Let's face it, many people who are raped suffer psychological damage for life.

Ah.. heavy subject. No comment, I just like rape jokes, even though some of them are a little bit..forced.

If anyone wants to continue commenting on this topic thats fine but I am deleting any future comments that are personal attacks towards me. It's getting on my nerves. Learn to keep it civil please, thank you.

I have done nothing illegal. I am not a rapist. Just disagree with the degree of penalty for sexual assault when a woman is not physically harmed. In other words I don't think it should be a capital offense.

Certainly for serial offenders, or people who harm their victims it should be.

I'd also like to make it clear I did not make this thread solely because of my interest in rape.

I made it because a friend is doing a 6 year bid for what seems to me to have been a shady case for rape. I will not divulge any more information on that subject however.