What started the anti college religion?

Saying you are in or believe in college to some is like saying Jesus is not real. The people hurling these accusations of anti college conspiracies will often use personal experience of how they succeeded without college. Often without explaining how they somehow got a good paying job without any sort of marketable skill. That or they got trained through an special agency or trained through family business and somehow blame everyone else for not having that opportunity. Some will go so far as to deny certain jobs even exist despite thier being evidence contradicting those statements. So what exactly made people adopt this conspiracy theory as thier religion?

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  • bigbudchonger

    Because everyone is going now, and that hasn't made everyone more intelligent, yet a lot of people with degrees often act like it does, even if they've got "mickey mouse degrees" which pay less than a trade skill.

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  • LloydAsher

    Unless you are a doctor, a lawyer or your job requires extensive education to perform. Most college degrees are irrelevant from just doing it online.

    Trade schools are not classified as college. People scoff at associate degrees. When people talk about useless college they talk about getting a bachelors as a prerequisite to holding a job that really doesnt specialize in said degree.

    Generalized degrees are pointless if all you need to know about your job is simply X,Y,Z. Something an online class is more than sufficient most times. Or on the trade side of things, doing an apprentenceship or company led training.

    I'd like to ask what's the point in getting a bachelors if the pay is 40k a year?

    I got 6 weeks of training and my base pay was more than that.

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    • You can get an associate's in a trade and still get the certificate to be qualified in that job. A lot of community colleges offer trade certificate programs.

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      • LloydAsher

        It's the college "educated" who scoff at trade degrees. Like the trades are lesser than their own.

        The college elitist created the backlash of the anti college people.

        I think most people value the trades. Cant work when your toilet is overflowing. Basic societal shit that is overlooked for the "cushy" jobs.

        IT may as well be a trade job at this point.

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        • No, community college is still college and they have trade programs at most community colleges. The people doing trades at community college and trade school are not looking down on people for it.

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          • Clunk42

            Lloyd is saying exactly what I was saying, though. Most people do not have problems with trade schools. The anti-college people generally do not have problems with trade schools.

            The only people who have problems with trade schools are the "college elitists" who suggest that the only thing to be strived for is a "high-quality college education." That is, the people who go to the overpriced institutions. Community college sorts are not the "college elitists" being referred to.

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            • LloydAsher

              Yeah I dont think anyone who comes out of community college will be touting their degree like it was the pinnacle of wit.

              I sure as shit dont talk high and mighty about my company training to get me a cdl.

              Unless you are training in a highly specialized degree, where you need the tests to prove that you have the necessary skills. College is mostly worthless.

              I'm pretty sure in some states you can take the BAR exam without the university. Though I wouldnt trust a doctor that wasnt trained via a university. At least at those universities you can carve up cadavers.

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  • ChrissySnow

    To me, it seemed that the more crazy the colleges got, the less useful they became. I have one, older, son in college and another, younger son, who is college age that refuses to go and instead is in a trade school. The younger son is already making better money than I make

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    • Trade school is still school though.

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  • Ligeia

    Is this even a thing? I often hear people talking about how liberal arts degrees are pricey and don't set you up for a good career (true). Trade school and STEM are different.

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    • I mean that's what I thought but I keep getting shit for it. Since college is evil Villiany.

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      • Ligeia

        Lol that's odd. I'm guessing it arises from a general distrust of social institutions.
        I do think some aspects of university suck. Like having to attend classes about "diversity"/"cultural studies" etc as a prerequisite when it has nothing to do with your major.

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        • Imagine being told by a boomer "You know you need to stop with this stupid college already. Go get a real job. College is for idiots".

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  • olderdude-xx

    It's a question of is the cost of a college education really going to bring you worthwhile financial gain in the job market.

    For many current job positions the cost of a college education, if funded by debt, does not pay off.

    For other job positions it clearly pays off (Example: I have a BS in Mechanical Engineering, and my engineering employment clearly paid for the cost of the education and provided a better than normal lifestyle for decades.

    In many cases a Technical Degree or other job training is far more worthwhile and produces larger paychecks than for people with various general college degrees.

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  • Clunk42

    https://youtu.be/m4gLDXfXgbs

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    • Okay but like how else do you get skills when you don't have any? Many jobs require a degree. I know people watched a stupid video but like having a brain would realize some people want a job that requires schooling.

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      • olderdude-xx

        The real problem is that many jobs require a college degree that never used to require a college degree; and that getting a college degree does not improve a person's ability to do the job.

        The college degree requirement is totally superfluous to the job, nor does the job pay more than it used to for people without college degrees.

        I know of several people who recently graduated from 4 years of college with about $80,000 in student loans.

        That's one heck of a steep price to pay to not get any meaningful pay increase and to qualify for a job where the college degree does not add anything to the job performance.

        That's

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      • Clunk42

        The argument is usually, "I can learn all that I need about that on the internet," which for many things is often quite true. For example, I can tell you from experience that a dedicated learner can learn far more about a language from the internet than from schooling. I learned far more about handwriting from the internet than from my experiences at schools.

        Also, though this is not exactly related, textbooks are absolutely overpriced nonsense. Like, look at this stupid book:
        https://www.macmillanlearning.com/college/us/product/The-Pocket-Guide-to-College-Success/p/1319200761
        It's a small paperback being sold for $44. And not only that, but a large portion of it is absolute nonsense. It actually mentions the Myers-Briggs personality test as though it has any validity. And this crap is used in college classes necessary for graduation.

        I've got an old textbook from my father titled "Ben T. Clark's RUSSIAN- Third Edition," which is actually a pretty decent textbook, but it cost my father $50 -used- in the 90's.

        So whether or not you are actually learning anything of use, you're still being scammed.

        Also, your reply seems to have the implication that you did not watch the five-minute video that I linked. Just watch the video; it answers both your questions there.

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        • I think you are confused. I mean I want a job where I am legally liscensed to do that job. I am not looking to be a hobbyist. A doctor who never finished medical school is not legally a doctor. See the difference? I don't think you understand how these jobs work. It's not really about how smart you think you are. If you not licensed you not liscensed. Simple as that.

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          • Clunk42

            The video itself mentions that. Some people do benefit from college. For example, I want to be a language professor, and one cannot become a language professor without going through college. However, many jobs do not require college as a prerequisite.

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            • I know I was saying this but people keep telling me I am idiot since I joined trade school. What else am I supposed to do? I need this degree. Even if everyone is shouting about what a retard I am for it. Why are people so tied to this religion? They are even against things that need a degree. It's the Anticollege religion. Doctors, accountants, teachers and Electrician's need to go to college. Why is it stupid to go if you want one of those jobs?

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  • bbrown95

    I think it depends on the degree and what career you're looking to get into. For some fields, college is a necessity, while with others it is a waste of money. Trade schools have a lot of offerings as well, but it's also possible to make good money with just a high school education or GED, though it usually requires a lot of hard work, and sometimes working your way up from the bottom. I know many business owners with only high school educations, and many people who worked their way up in companies with this level of education as well.

    I believe it is possible to make good money in the military if you stay in for long enough and rank up as well, and that can also set you up for a good career outside of it later on.

    I do not believe that college degrees are a necessity to make it in the adult world, as I also know people with paperweight college degrees that they don't even use, didn't get them the jobs they had hoped they would, were not the best choices to secure a good job to begin with (i.e. liberal arts), etc. A degree may get your foot in the door in a few places, but often times people end up paying off insane student loan debt for years and not really being ahead of many who didn't go to college. There's also the problem that certain fields are becoming over-saturated and since more and more people are getting college degrees, they don't set people apart as much as they used to. This does not make college *bad*, of course, but it is also not something I'd recommend to everyone.

    When I was in high school, it was drilled into our heads that college was a must and that we'd never make it without it, and I think that's actually detrimental. I know people who were in high school with me (I graduated in 2014) who are STILL in college, and not graduate school or majoring in something that is an 8+ year degree or anything like that, but simply flopping around, unsure of what they want to do, and frequently changing their major. I don't see how this is productive at all, and I think schools should instead teach that there are multiple options and that it is also okay to hold off on college until you have a solid idea of what you want to go for.

    TL;DR: To me, college is more of a case-by-case basis rather than something everyone should do.

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    • You can get rich without college with stuff like content creator, Celeberty, started your own business Which mainly all have a lot of competition and not a garunetee either. There is also people who get jobs that require special liscensing but that does not mean everyone has the skill for these type of jobs either. Many of today's job are dead end and recycle employees like napkins so you can work at a gas station or McDonald's till you die, it doesn't mean you going to come out of it as a millionaire or even with a retirement plan. Also the reason that HS pushes college is because we basically destroyed the foundation for anything else. In the past most companies would train employees. Schools all had drivers education and there was More high end jobs. The market is now oversaturated with special training jobs, Very high end jobs, government and the highest majority dead end jobs. Many higher end jobs don't have a ladder, they use to but now the ladder is gone. The system is to outside hire someone already with the skills Vs training someone inside the company. So even in the jobs that have a ladder you can get screwed cuase they randomly chose someone else and the loyal workers who worked there forever feel overlooked. Which means employees no longer have faith in companies and so companies stop investing in employees. We should have harder courses in HS classes that are applicable to the real life job market. As well as offering trade classes to students who are interested. This would both make HS students that are qualified for a good job, and it would give kids going to college more understanding of what they want to do. A child can not say if they want to be a cop or an electrician or a marine or doctor since school didn't give them any exposure to any of it. If you have them classes that simulated real life job environment they can say what they liked or didn't. Also if we were teaching kids actual skills we could partner with company's that could help fund and come to schools during job fairs. So based on the current system HS doesn't set you up for the real world, it sets you up to go to college and that is it.

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  • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

    i went to an animal house niche engineering college

    i gave up a 'lucrative' journeyman license to do so

    no regrets i got all the work i want and am paid enough to not work when i dont feel like it

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    • What is an animal house college?

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      • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

        get drunk throw frisbees at squirrels barely pass retarded elective classes while doin good in useful ones

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        • Wait why?

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          • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

            'no regrets i got all the work i want and am paid enough to not work when i dont feel like it'

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